Would you participate in the nr 20 tournament?

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No Flag [TLDT]Amsterda
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05 Sep 2019, 06:28

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@dicktator_ do you confirm this disgrace ?

If it happened I don't remember it. The only losses to the amsterda/sonora combo I can find on elo is me/princeofcarthage (pretty embarrassing, but I was Aztecs, I also don't remember this game) and me/dyna (not as embarrassing, I do remember this game actually, I got cav cheesed and I was pissed).

Anyway, all this discussion about who's better and by how much is making me more excited for the tourney.

It's the game where you teamed with WhiteIrishKing 2014/10/11 22:30:00. Dyna shared his account with Sergyou at the time. The 2016 games you see however were with Dyna playing on soñora, nowadays the real soñora plays on qazeh.
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05 Sep 2019, 06:45

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edeholland wrote:With a proper BO and 5 practice games every captain+ can do a decent boom. I think a NR20 mostly comes down to mechanics and APM.

Yes you can probably get the build order correct, but if you think execution is so easy I want to see you trying it.

Dude a TR boom is the stuff of cakes. I get that the final 2% optimization of a boom can be difficult and really tight, but any self respective sup captain+ with two tries can pull off a typical TR boom with a typical civ - cow booming the only exception.

Treaty gameplay on the other hand is hard as shit.

Since I think trash talking would make you more likely to play I'd say for you it's more like the final 30-35% of optimization. Think that's being harsh? Come beat me in the tournament lol.
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05 Sep 2019, 07:10

princeofcarthage wrote:
edeholland wrote:With a proper BO and 5 practice games every captain+ can do a decent boom. I think a NR20 mostly comes down to mechanics and APM.

Yes you can probably get the build order correct, but if you think execution is so easy I want to see you trying it.
It's following a BO but you have even more time to read it during the game than in sup. But if you wanna test it so you should get someone to try it who hasn't played loads of treaty.
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05 Sep 2019, 08:37

princeofcarthage wrote:Well I also don't remember me and dick losing to amster and sonora, must be early 2016 or something when I was infant in nr20. Amster you used to play nr20 long before I started, I don't know how you beating me in infant days make it fair. As far as it goes today's rusty me is winning vs you despite pathetic artillery control(somehow you have improved a lot lol)

Also while I haven't seen it I do remember amster being excited about beating dick and sergyou with sonora on team, also I remember serg being well serg to amster for next few days/months

Lol yeah the times I've mentioned it is definitely in the doubledigits at this point. My first nr 20 game was 2013/09/30 04:22:00, your first was 2012/12/06 13:19:00 I think and you continued playing after that.
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05 Sep 2019, 11:05

[TLDT]Amsterda wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Well I also don't remember me and dick losing to amster and sonora, must be early 2016 or something when I was infant in nr20. Amster you used to play nr20 long before I started, I don't know how you beating me in infant days make it fair. As far as it goes today's rusty me is winning vs you despite pathetic artillery control(somehow you have improved a lot lol)

Also while I haven't seen it I do remember amster being excited about beating dick and sergyou with sonora on team, also I remember serg being well serg to amster for next few days/months

Lol yeah the times I've mentioned it is definitely in the doubledigits at this point. My first nr 20 game was 2013/09/30 04:22:00, your first was 2012/12/06 13:19:00 I think and you continued playing after that.

Till 2012 to 2014 I had no idea how to play game I just used to have fun with friends I dont even remember playing 20 in 2013 tbh but anyways
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05 Sep 2019, 14:07

I guess I could play if im not too bad..
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05 Sep 2019, 14:42

What would the map(/s) be for this tournament?
Also, can you take treasures? Trading posts? Natives before the treaty ends?
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05 Sep 2019, 14:50

gamevideo113 wrote:What would the map(/s) be for this tournament?
Also, can you take treasures? Trading posts? Natives before the treaty ends?

The current map pool is preliminary but is listed in op, you can take treasures. You can take treasures of course, tp and nats depend on map spawn.
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05 Sep 2019, 15:10

Thanks.
In regards to civs: maybe some should be excluded, if we don't want to see french mirrors throughout the whole tournament. The problem is that there are quite big strength gaps between different civs so you wouldn't really know where to stop banning civs, starting from the top.
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05 Sep 2019, 15:37

gamevideo113 wrote:Thanks.
In regards to civs: maybe some should be excluded, if we don't want to see french mirrors throughout the whole tournament. The problem is that there are quite big strength gaps between different civs so you wouldn't really know where to stop banning civs, starting from the top.

While I do think french is the top civ I have a hard time saying that's how it works out practically at the moment due to the lack of skilled french boomers.
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05 Sep 2019, 16:26

[TLDT]Amsterda wrote:
gamevideo113 wrote:Thanks.
In regards to civs: maybe some should be excluded, if we don't want to see french mirrors throughout the whole tournament. The problem is that there are quite big strength gaps between different civs so you wouldn't really know where to stop banning civs, starting from the top.

While I do think french is the top civ I have a hard time saying that's how it works out practically at the moment due to the lack of skilled french boomers.

I assume the civ tier might vary a bit between NR20 and NR40.
I guess it would be fair to let every civ in, but boomy civs like brits and japs are miles ahead compared to otto or spain as far as i can tell, imo even more than on NR40 because of how slow the boom of some civs is. In NR40 slow civs have the time to catch up, but in NR20 it might be harder i think. It's a gamemode that rewards fast booming civs a lot.
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05 Sep 2019, 16:27

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05 Sep 2019, 16:32

@[TLDT]Amsterda do you have discord? message me Cometk#3297
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05 Sep 2019, 16:40

Cometk wrote:@[TLDT]Amsterda do you have discord? message me Cometk#3297

I'll message you. Edit: Had to send a friend request since we're not in any of the same servers.
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05 Sep 2019, 16:44

Btw some things to consider for the tournament

1. Maps: The two questions for maps are obs ui vs no obs ui or if you want to change anything. Regarding the ui, we can do obs while preserving the build radius, this involves placing TCs for the obs players. However, preparing maps for obs is time consuming, and of course obs players deleting TCs provides XP to the players (obs players can delete their tcs later in the boom when the xp won't impact the boom as much). Furthermore getting the obs TCs to actually place is difficult on small maps (pd) or maps with lots of obstructions (any esoc map), probably impossible on Andes since it's pure rng. So basically it'd take a lot of time, if enough people really want obs maps for this tournament I'd be willing to do it, if people are okay with no obs (which means games won't get casted, hopefully some players will do first person streams then) I'd highly prefer to not have to do it.

The second question is what sort of changes you want on the maps, for example removing the river on Andes. Assuming the changes aren't too difficult, these would not be as time consuming as doing obs so I'd be willing to do it. I would just need a list of changes for each map.

2. Gameplay Rules: Things like half map and warships. Any time I go into a treaty game I assume it is half map and nws, however if you want these rules in tournament games then they need to be clear in the tournament rules, or else some players will lame ws in tourney games and be justified in doing so. I know some nr20 games are no half map but personally I really hope half map is a rule or else things will get really cheesy :D There are also lots of bugs on RE which I hope will be banned. Alt D, explorer crackshot glitch (not a huge deal in tr actually, except that it'll enable people to go for more treausres), the china record game monk aura, and the infinite res thing for China involving ger consulate discovered by Diarouga to name a few, I'm probably forgetting some as well.

3. Civ Rules: Whether to ban civs upfront, whether to allow civ bans, or just allow all civs, and how counterpicks should work in a series (winner picks first vs alternating).

4. Seeding: How to seed players. Could do something like, if a player has a higher tr elo just use tr elo, if a player has a higher sup elo use (TR ELO X 2 + SUP ELO)/3, still iffy since some players are pure nr20 players and some are pure nr40.

Probably forgetting some things but running out of time and I think I covered the most important things
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05 Sep 2019, 18:18

Why isn't this played on EP/ETP in the first place? That would solve many of those issues, we could even look into the treaty radius bug in UHC to make obs treaty less awkward to implement/use.
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05 Sep 2019, 18:28

EAGLEMUT wrote:Why isn't this played on EP/ETP in the first place? That would solve many of those issues, we could even look into the treaty radius bug in UHC to make obs treaty less awkward to implement/use.

Changes don't balance the gamemode very well, besides some changes from nr20 perspective are outright useless
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05 Sep 2019, 18:51

EAGLEMUT wrote:Why isn't this played on EP/ETP in the first place? That would solve many of those issues, we could even look into the treaty radius bug in UHC to make obs treaty less awkward to implement/use.

The balance changes aren't really desirable and the point of a nr 20 tournament would diminish if it's played in conditions that nobody has played in before or would play in the future. I don't think any of the active nr 20 players would care for a tournament played on a different balance patch.
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06 Sep 2019, 00:50

I don't think there is a reasonable patch that balances nr20? I don't think there has been very much testing of nr20 on treaty patch and esoc patch but I'd imagine that TP nr20 Sioux and Japan might be extremely strong.
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06 Sep 2019, 00:54

Top civs are prob japan china france brit port
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06 Sep 2019, 07:50

Brit can prolly beat japan china port though, depending on map and france as well depending on map. Of course lack of relaible players to know exact results is kinda hard.
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06 Sep 2019, 07:57

dicktator_ wrote:Top civs are prob japan china france brit port

Definitely but not in that order.
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06 Sep 2019, 08:56

princeofcarthage wrote:Brit can prolly beat japan china port though, depending on map and france as well depending on map. Of course lack of relaible players to know exact results is kinda hard.

This. Is why I also think throwing 500 usd at this would be kind of redundant. 250 would be enough. Now obviously it is not my money, just a suggestion.

Also TPs allowed is kind of ridiculous when andes no water and deccan can give tp to one player but not the other, thats a huge swing, definitely would decide the game in a mirror. NWS is a must otherwise i'm not even interested :D
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06 Sep 2019, 09:25

harcha wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Brit can prolly beat japan china port though, depending on map and france as well depending on map. Of course lack of relaible players to know exact results is kinda hard.

This. Is why I also think throwing 500 usd at this would be kind of redundant. 250 would be enough. Now obviously it is not my money, just a suggestion.

Also TPs allowed is kind of ridiculous when andes no water and deccan can give tp to one player but not the other, thats a huge swing, definitely would decide the game in a mirror. NWS is a must otherwise i'm not even interested :D

Definitely nws on maps without any possibility of water booming, the presence of water maps in map pool has yet to be decided but leaning towards a no or a single one if map pool gets larger. Tp is a pretty big deal but I can't really agree that it would definitely decide the game if one player got it, not to say that it's been decided that going for tp during nr will be allowed.
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06 Sep 2019, 15:25

Water maps with warships could be fun
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