how would you rank the top 10 aoe3 players of all time

[knusch]

how much gameplay does 10 days of AI practice translate to?

[deleted_user0]

Well iirc that was only after 10 days of training, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a strategy god after 200 days of training.

Nah, it was more like months of training.
Also the AI had unrealistic APM and used a hack (the equivalent of zoom hack). It lost to a 2nd tier GM after the hack was removed.

I’m pretty sure they said that they were having bad results for months, but only recently they had really cracked the problem, and since then, it had only 10 days to train. I know about the zoom hack and apm, but if the 10 day thing is true, I think it’ll likely become a strategy god and be able to beat people without zoom hack and such. That’s just speculation from me, I guess well have to wait and see.

10 human days, for an AI that's a lot of time.

[Jaeger]

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Well iirc that was only after 10 days of training, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a strategy god after 200 days of training.

Nah, it was more like months of training.
Also the AI had unrealistic APM and used a hack (the equivalent of zoom hack). It lost to a 2nd tier GM after the hack was removed.

I’m pretty sure they said that they were having bad results for months, but only recently they had really cracked the problem, and since then, it had only 10 days to train. I know about the zoom hack and apm, but if the 10 day thing is true, I think it’ll likely become a strategy god and be able to beat people without zoom hack and such. That’s just speculation from me, I guess well have to wait and see.

Yea, but now I’m saying it will have 200-300 human days, which I think is likely to lead to a huge difference.

10 human days, for an AI that's a lot of time.

[Jaeger]

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Well iirc that was only after 10 days of training, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a strategy god after 200 days of training.

Nah, it was more like months of training.
Also the AI had unrealistic APM and used a hack (the equivalent of zoom hack). It lost to a 2nd tier GM after the hack was removed.

I’m pretty sure they said that they were having bad results for months, but only recently they had really cracked the problem, and since then, it had only 10 days to train. I know about the zoom hack and apm, but if the 10 day thing is true, I think it’ll likely become a strategy god and be able to beat people without zoom hack and such. That’s just speculation from me, I guess well have to wait and see.

I don't know. In term of options, Starcraft is much much more complicated than chess and go, thus the computers really can't "solve" the game. Also the computer was like really bad strategically, not even master level, and the difference between a low master and a top GM is huge.

Hmm yea I’ve never played SC so I have zero idea about how the strategy looked

[[Armag] diarouga]

how much gameplay does 10 days of AI practice translate to?

I'm not sure it was 10 days, but I remember it was about 200 years for a human.

[jgals]

kinda surprised i didn't make anyone's list tbh, not even on any of my smurfs/alts. Most people know I am the best war chiefs player that has to count for something

[deleted_user]

this is now an uplifting callen appreciation thread. all off-topic posts will be deleted

streak +4 w/new teammate each game, now up to pr 27.2

[Sargsyan]

Youre bad

[deleted_user]

Youre bad

I'm better than the pr 27.1s

[Sargsyan]

Youre bad

I'm better than the pr 27.1s

Prove by playing bo14 vs sheckler

[deleted_user]

Youre bad

I'm better than the pr 27.1s

Prove by playing bo14 vs sheckler

can only dutch mirror w/no banks and win once. I've no other reason to play.

[Dolphincup]

AI's start from scratch. scratch, scratch. you can't really compare human time to computer model training time. it's like you have to train a shell of a human who doesn't understand that it even has eyes. then it realizes it can see. then it realizes that the things it sees are meaningful. then it realizes that it can interact with the things it sees. Then it realizes after '100 years' that it can actually 'win' a game if all of its interactions are performed in a certain sequence. Then it tries similar sequences over and over to figure out which one is most likely to give it the 'win.' humans become experts in pattern recognition in something like 5 years. and an extremely focused AI takes 200 human-years to become a starcraft-only-pattern recognition expert.

They removed the zoom hack from the AI and it lost, but it had only trained overnight with the new limitation (if I remember correctly). IMO it's highly likely that alpha star will able to beat top players even without micro and macro advantages.

[sheckler]

Race to 8!!

[Squamiger]

heres an old(er) game, parfait vs kiljardi. doing the old skool xbow pike rush meta.

if you watch closely when he pans back to his base, he's got settler wagons / vills on berries the entire time, even tho he is pressuring his opponent and had no real fear of being raided. whats up with that? back then, did good players really not have the game knowledge to know that berries are slow vs hunts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqqXk3uDUIw&t=652s

[[Armag] diarouga]

Knowledge-wise, the old pros were bad. Mechanically I have to admit that he's pretty decent though.

[orukitan]

this thread is very interesting
we can know how most people get bias from their brilliant memories

[orukitan]

btw, the players I thought were the most creative during this DE period

1.Aizmak
2.woodpusher
3.SirCallen
4.KaiserKlein
5.Ageofkiller
6.don_artie
7.wasasabi
8.ryanmankle
9.eternal_major
10.Iamturk

these guys is so greedy to look for new way
surely, strange and new ways can't work on most matches
but why can't I love these guys

[harcha]

i could agree with aimzak, sircallen, don_artie, but i'm not sure how others were creative

[Challenger_Marco]

I can confirm woodpusher is creative and falls under best creative players of all time in aoe for me.

[orukitan]

i could agree with aimzak, sircallen, don_artie, but i'm not sure how others were creative

woodpusher = 10mm age1 japs and Temple of Heaven healing china
KaiserKlein = SemiFF otto and French grenadiers
AgeofKiller = ATP and building HP upgrade strategy
wasasabi = dutch hero upgrade and mass minutesman attack
Iamturk = full tp and no bank dutch

this is just one side I've seen

[LazarosVas]

My top 5 in the DE era based on their Ladder + Tournament results.

1.Kaiserklein
2.Haitch
3.Knusch
4.Samwise
5.Mitoe