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Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 17:50
by alistairpeter
I noticed a lot of hand infantry has a bonus vs light infantry, so does that mean if they get in hand with skirts they do bonus, or only vs units like disciples and coyote runners?

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 17:57
by gamevideo113
Yes, musketeers, halberdiers and pikemen do bonus damage to skirms in a melee fight. Fake news, sorry

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 18:03
by Gendarme
I would say that I'm pretty sure they don't, but now I am unsure. Good question. BRB scientific research.

Edit: They do not have a bonus in melee. However, musketeers-type units (especially sepoys) in melee still beat skirmishers.

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 18:06
by n0el
Hand infantry get a bonus vs disciples and coyote runner type units. Not against skirmisher type units. @alistairpeter

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 18:19
by Hazza54321
what noel said^^

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 18:24
by P i k i l i c
what hazza said^^

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 18:27
by gamevideo113
Lol i am so much fake news

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 20:31
by _NiceKING_
The complete list of light infantry units:

  • Coyote Runner
  • Eagle Knight
  • Tiger Claw
  • Rattan Shield
  • Disciple

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 20:32
by Gendarme
ERK are LI? I thought they were HI. Are they both?

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 20:36
by _NiceKING_
ERK are not HI lol

Also, ranged cavalry has bonus only vs the following light infantry units:

  • Coyote Runner
  • Disciples

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 22:05
by alistairpeter
Hmm so tiger claws are kind if like lancers that are weak to cannon?

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 22:06
by alistairpeter
Like if it says 2x info that would still include light infantry, right?

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 22:09
by AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE
n0el wrote:Hand infantry get a bonus vs disciples and coyote runner type units. Not against skirmisher type units. @alistairpeter


dude you just destroyed my 12 years of "trying to get musketeers into handcombat with skirms cuz multiplier wow me smart micro fella"..

i go cry myself to sleep now, g'nite..

Re: Light inf

Posted: 28 Jun 2017, 23:24
by rsy
AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE wrote:
n0el wrote:Hand infantry get a bonus vs disciples and coyote runner type units. Not against skirmisher type units. @alistairpeter


dude you just destroyed my 12 years of "trying to get musketeers into handcombat with skirms cuz multiplier wow me smart micro fella"..

i go cry myself to sleep now, g'nite..

honestly u still wanna get ur musks in melee vs skirms
i looked up stats on wiki, http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Skir ... mpires_III) http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Musketeer
musk beats skirm 1v1 in melee

Re: Light inf

Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 01:49
by _NiceKING_
alistairpeter wrote:Hmm so tiger claws are kind if like lancers that are weak to cannon?

Tiger claws are the only light infantry units that are weak to cannons cuz claws are also tagged as "normal" infantry units. All the other light infantry units are not weak to cannons.

alistairpeter wrote: Like if it says 2x info that would still include light infantry, right?

The bonus Tiger Claws have (x2) is vs "normal" infantry units (skirms, xbows, musks), not vs light infantry. Same with lancers, they do not do any extra damage vs light infantry (except tiger claws).

Re: Light inf

Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 08:32
by aligator92
This question has come up so many times in the past and every time people seem to be surprised by the answer. We should probably make a summary and put it ontop of the homepage forever. Screw news posts about tourny finals. This is what people need and want to know :D

Re: Light inf

Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 10:25
by momuuu
But that'd be a nerf to Aztecs!

Re: Light inf

Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 13:12
by P i k i l i c
Jerom wrote:But that'd be a nerf to Aztecs!

haha yes I remember whan I was a corporal trying to kill coyotemen with cassadors "Aztecs only have OP units how do these weird native kind of pikemen kill my anti-inf" :P

Re: Light inf

Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 01:56
by Papist
For The War Chiefs expansion, what you would typically think of as light infantry was re-tagged as ranged infantry. Since they don't really fit in any other category per se, all of the weird cavalry-equivalent infantry introduced in TWC and TAD (coyotes, rattan shields, tiger claws, etc.) were tagged as light infantry.

Thus musketeers and other heavy infantry units were given their multiplier against "light infantry" so that they could counter these units as they would their equivalent cavalry units.

Re: Light inf

Posted: 08 Jul 2017, 13:26
by gamevideo113
Not strictly on topic but why does the dutch card "Military Reforms" reduce halb bonus damage against light infantry? After all light infantry is just cav without the cav tag, isn't it?

Re: Light inf

Posted: 08 Jul 2017, 14:20
by vaso413
Skirms and archers are light inf in vanilla and inf in TAD whereas coyotes (and eagle things ?) are light inf in TAD.

gamevideo113 wrote:Not strictly on topic but why does the dutch card "Military Reforms" reduce halb bonus damage against light infantry? After all light infantry is just cav without the cav tag, isn't it?


They probably just ported it from vanilla, breaking the shipment.

Re: Light inf

Posted: 08 Jul 2017, 16:01
by _NiceKING_
gamevideo113 wrote:Not strictly on topic but why does the dutch card "Military Reforms" reduce halb bonus damage against light infantry? After all light infantry is just cav without the cav tag, isn't it?

Military Reforms reduces halb bonus damage against "normal" infantry (skirm-type infantry and heavy infantry). It doesn't reduce their bonus against light infantry.

Re: Light inf

Posted: 08 Jul 2017, 16:35
by tilanus
Guys, I wrote a whole article about Light Infantry in AoE3: http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Light_Infantry

Could just have taken a look at this :biggrin:

Re: Light inf

Posted: 08 Jul 2017, 16:40
by _NiceKING_
tilanus wrote:Guys, I wrote a whole article about Light Infantry in AoE3: http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Light_Infantry

tilanus wrote:Therefore, light infantry is countered by heavy infantry and ranged cavalry.

Only Coyote Runners and Disciples are countered by ranged cavalry.

Re: Light inf

Posted: 08 Jul 2017, 16:53
by tilanus
You're quoting from a paragraph that's only TWC (so no Disciples), otherwise correct. Also, eagles were exclusively countered by Skirmishers (both gunpowder and archer. Light Infantry as a whole is countered by Heavy Infantry though, so that stays. :)