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Altough i did not meet any cheater so far, i see it is a known problem in community. Did anyone try to.talk with cheater guys, i see why it can be fun to cheat but there are many smart people on this forum maybe we can persuade them. I think most cheaters dont feel emphaty towards their openent, like a child who causes damage to someone unaware. Child is easier to manipulate and teach but same.can be done in adults imo. @Papist u said you know some physcology what do you think? Also did anyone mailed microsoft for help?
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i'm quite sure they're aware of the damage they're causing, and that's exactly why its fun to them.
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It's just sad and simple - theres no official report system and no moderation of aoe3 anymore by official staff. Most cheaters cheat because they know they can get away with it. I wish there was something we could do.
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Could microsoft not hand over the cheating moderation to esoc? It would cost them nothing and it is esoc that keeps their game alive...
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HUMMAN wrote:Altough i did not meet any cheater so far, i see it is a known problem in community. Did anyone try to.talk with cheater guys, i see why it can be fun to cheat but there are many smart people on this forum maybe we can persuade them. I think most cheaters dont feel emphaty towards their openent, like a child who causes damage to someone unaware. Child is easier to manipulate and teach but same.can be done in adults imo. @Papist u said you know some physcology what do you think? Also did anyone mailed microsoft for help?


Different players cheat for different reasons. People who drophack and OOS presumably do so because they care about their online rankings enough to end a game if it looks like they are going to lose. People who use moesbar cheats and the like presumably do it for the entertainment value (it's fun to use cheat units, and/or to watch an opponent rage). Trust me when I say that these players, especially those in the latter group, do not care what others in the community think of them.

No, I don't think cheaters feel empathy towards their opponents, but that's probably true for most players. I know I don't feel any emotional bond to random people I'm playing against, and I don't see that as a problem. It only becomes a problem when it carries over into real life, and I think presuming that would be a bit of a stretch.
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I remember scamming a lot in RuneScape as a kid, and I often felt very bad afterwards - especially when they begged me to give their stuff back which I never did (this was my income source after all). I never stopped scamming until banned. One time I scammed the same person three times in a row because he didn't notice what had happened after the first two trades, and I think I actually showed him a bit of mercy due to this - although I am not sure.

My guess is that most cheaters are kids.
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I talked to one, he demanded 65 euros for a simple hack. I took screenshots and pested him.
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Asateo wrote:Could microsoft not hand over the cheating moderation to esoc? It would cost them nothing and it is esoc that keeps their game alive...

they probably could. They could also " hire " one of the ESOC staff members for a symbolic dollar if theres any legal concerns which im not aware of.
But one problem is also that those cheaters know the loophole in steams policy to create infinite eso accounts so banning the accounts wont even be that impactful.
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lordraphael wrote:
Asateo wrote:Could microsoft not hand over the cheating moderation to esoc? It would cost them nothing and it is esoc that keeps their game alive...

they probably could. They could also " hire " one of the ESOC staff members for a symbolic dollar if theres any legal concerns which im not aware of.
But one problem is also that those cheaters know the loophole in steams policy to create infinite eso accounts so banning the accounts wont even be that impactful.

Aside from legal concerns, check out this relevant post from MS Community Manager Plus2Joe:

Gustavus Adolphus wrote:Is this for real? I have been on this support forum for like half a year with no actual contact from anyone who can actually do anything?
Plus2Joe wrote:Yes, it is real. The reasons for the relative lack of support on ESO account issues over the last few years are many and complex... but most users don't care WHY they're not getting support; they (rightly) just want to get their problems solved!

Since the server migration last year, we've received a lot fewer requests for password resets and the like. Since then, we've made additional improvements to our tools and resources (and hired on the amazingly talented @jennywaboom) to allow us to now address an even greater portion of customer issues. We're still unable to help with certain complaints, but we're looking into those problems now as well.

Here he implies they currently don't even have the necessary tools to handle support issues and it's not simply a case of ignoring them.
What I'm getting at is that the something like an "ESO administration software" was developed between 12-17 years ago (and with limited resources I imagine, as is the standard for software not facing clients directly) and may just not be functional at all today, effectively preventing Microsoft from taking action unless it's fixed/reworked.
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HUMMAN wrote:Altough i did not meet any cheater so far, i see it is a known problem in community. Did anyone try to.talk with cheater guys, i see why it can be fun to cheat but there are many smart people on this forum maybe we can persuade them. I think most cheaters dont feel emphaty towards their openent, like a child who causes damage to someone unaware. Child is easier to manipulate and teach but same.can be done in adults imo. @Papist u said you know some physcology what do you think? Also did anyone mailed microsoft for help?

tried all non of them is working and i talked with them ..>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjD3KsK3apA
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Gendarme wrote:I remember scamming a lot in RuneScape as a kid, and I often felt very bad afterwards - especially when they begged me to give their stuff back which I never did (this was my income source after all). I never stopped scamming until banned. One time I scammed the same person three times in a row because he didn't notice what had happened after the first two trades, and I think I actually showed him a bit of mercy due to this - although I am not sure.

My guess is that most cheaters are kids.


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lordraphael wrote:
Asateo wrote:Could microsoft not hand over the cheating moderation to esoc? It would cost them nothing and it is esoc that keeps their game alive...

they probably could. They could also " hire " one of the ESOC staff members for a symbolic dollar if theres any legal concerns which im not aware of.
But one problem is also that those cheaters know the loophole in steams policy to create infinite eso accounts so banning the accounts wont even be that impactful.



Moderating ESO is overwhelming - why do you think Microsoft' hasn't been doing it?

Basically, you would need a large, full-time team of people to do it. And I don't think you'd be able to find people on the staff or within the community who want to do that much work (unpleasant work at that) for free. As a moderator, I can assure you that it's difficult enough to keep up with what's going on on this forum; I can't even imagine what it's like to manage hundreds/thousands of users on ESO.
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Papist wrote:
lordraphael wrote:
Asateo wrote:Could microsoft not hand over the cheating moderation to esoc? It would cost them nothing and it is esoc that keeps their game alive...

they probably could. They could also " hire " one of the ESOC staff members for a symbolic dollar if theres any legal concerns which im not aware of.
But one problem is also that those cheaters know the loophole in steams policy to create infinite eso accounts so banning the accounts wont even be that impactful.



Moderating ESO is overwhelming - why do you think Microsoft' hasn't been doing it?

Basically, you would need a large, full-time team of people to do it. And I don't think you'd be able to find people on the staff or within the community who want to do that much work (unpleasant work at that) for free. As a moderator, I can assure you that it's difficult enough to keep up with what's going on on this forum; I can't even imagine what it's like to manage hundreds/thousands of users on ESO.

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