so litte sioux play in this tournament

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_H2O wrote:People don’t like the civ sadly.

I’ve played it in niche tournament situations, even using it on high plains vs Japan where I believe they were favored without any changes made to their teepees.

Their fortress comp is so smooth and if you understand how to work that composition to can really control the game. With the teepee changes I imagine it’s easier to get to fortress.

Teepees basically make you immune to any aggression with no adverse effect on fortress time

Sioux is so, so good :ugeek:
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Well people are going to play what they like. Also in a tournament setting people are inclined to pick what they have practiced most and feel can give them the best chance to win because it's not wise to risk 1 game (especially in a bo3 or bo5) by playing a civ you don't know. The civ reset rule also makes it so that players only have to learn 2 or 3 very well for the tournament, and 3 or 4 if they have prospects of making it into the later rounds, further limiting the civ diversity.
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_H2O wrote:People don’t like the civ sadly.

I’ve played it in niche tournament situations, even using it on high plains vs Japan where I believe they were favored without any changes made to their teepees.

Their fortress comp is so smooth and if you understand how to work that composition to can really control the game. With the teepee changes I imagine it’s easier to get to fortress.

Teepees basically make you immune to any aggression with no adverse effect on fortress time

Sioux is so, so good :ugeek:


how come then! op players just to comf in the nilla plan! nothing ever gonna change that! A big buff to natives - dont give any change. Im still disapointed in Garja and Aizamk. and even LRaphael - for not being good enough to exploit all of the civs. May be I am expecting to much of a champion
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iwillspankyou wrote:
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_H2O wrote:People don’t like the civ sadly.

I’ve played it in niche tournament situations, even using it on high plains vs Japan where I believe they were favored without any changes made to their teepees.

Their fortress comp is so smooth and if you understand how to work that composition to can really control the game. With the teepee changes I imagine it’s easier to get to fortress.

Teepees basically make you immune to any aggression with no adverse effect on fortress time

Sioux is so, so good :ugeek:


how come then! op players just to comf in the nilla plan! nothing ever gonna change that! A big buff to natives - dont give any change. Im still disapointed in Garja and Aizamk. and even LRaphael - for not being good enough to exploit all of the civs. May be I am expecting to much of a champion
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u play to win and not for the viewers , people need to understand that lol
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how come then! op players just to comf in the nilla plan! nothing ever gonna change that! A big buff to natives - dont give any change. Im still disapointed in Garja and Aizamk. and even LRaphael - for not being good enough to exploit all of the civs. May be I am expecting to much of a champion
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u play to win and not for the viewers , people need to understand that lol

the general sentiment is that sioux are much better than their pick rate. do you agree and if so what do you think is the cause for this?
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u play to win and not for the viewers , people need to understand that lol

the general sentiment is that sioux are much better than their pick rate. do you agree and if so what do you think is the cause for this?

I think they are good but you have to invest time to "learn" them better
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the general sentiment is that sioux are much better than their pick rate. do you agree and if so what do you think is the cause for this?

I think they are good but you have to invest time to "learn" them better


How about; sometimes its good to do what is best for viewers AND yourself - in the short run and def in the long one? Strange how every single player think they are in the final^^
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People play to win and play ehat they want, whats wrong with that
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iwillspankyou wrote:could also be that players choose their favorit civs - no matter what :huh: And that our heroes are slaves to their own habits :o
maybe we should have a tournament where stream vote for the most fun game/gamer? maybe that could stir things up :P And the viewers donate to their favorit player during the play?
Good idea??

Or maybe we should just do normal tourneys and let the players play what they like
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iwillspankyou wrote:how come then! op players just to comf in the nilla plan! nothing ever gonna change that! A big buff to natives - dont give any change. Im still disapointed in Garja and Aizamk. and even LRaphael - for not being good enough to exploit all of the civs. May be I am expecting to much of a champion
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I think you don't understand that in a tournament, you either pick first or counterpick.
If you pick first, you want a safe pick. Sioux are probably not the safest pick out there, since it's still a bit of a one dimensional civ.
If you counterpick, you might want to be sioux, but you also might have a better counter to pick.

On top of that, some maps are sioux friendly and some aren't. Maps with bad treasures are not cool for sioux. No tp maps or water maps are not good for sioux. Maps with a lot of tps are pretty good for sioux in some mus, but overall people will choose port or spain atp instead, because these civs can abuse the tp line better. Maps with a few tps are fine for sioux, but depending on the mu etc you might instead go for fr/ger/port for example. On top of all that, you have brits and dutch that are good civs on most maps, you have low res maps that doesn't fit well with the sioux teepees meta...

It doesn't mean that sioux is bad, it's a really solid civ overall. But it doesn't mean that in a tourney situation, you will pick them on a given map and in a given mu.

Plus, as people mentioned, sioux is not a civ that a lot of players master, so it makes it even more awkward to pick usually.
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Hazza54321 wrote:People play to win and play ehat they want, whats wrong with that

prolly nothing, but still pretty narrowing to stick to the nilla play.
*what is wrong with me not thinking this is as enjoyable as it could have been,. and going on a little rant :P
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Bring nagayumi back and he will bash ppl with Sioux ;P
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does rafuuuu know about the patch?
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the legend stoped -.-
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In the end the reason why people don't play sioux and other twc is just because they dont like them
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I am surprised iro isnt played more, theyre fun and can have a similar style to euro civs with very fun units
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Hazza54321 wrote:I am surprised iro isnt played more, theyre fun and can have a similar style to euro civs with very fun units


Weird people like @Mitoe say theyre by far the worst civ :hmm:
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Lukas_L99 wrote:
Hazza54321 wrote:I am surprised iro isnt played more, theyre fun and can have a similar style to euro civs with very fun units


Weird people like @Mitoe say theyre by far the worst civ :hmm:

apreciated :smile: for giving it a go
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iwillspankyou wrote:
Lukas_L99 wrote:
Hazza54321 wrote:I am surprised iro isnt played more, theyre fun and can have a similar style to euro civs with very fun units


Weird people like @Mitoe say theyre by far the worst civ :hmm:

apreciated :smile: for giving it a go


Who is appreciated for giving what a go? :ohmy:
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apreciated :smile: for giving it a go


Who is appreciated for giving what a go? :ohmy:

foreplaying sioux :santa: and taking a chanse :!:
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:P
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iwillspankyou wrote:?

Please, @spanky4ever, stop posting my PM to you on a public thread :hmm:
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Well he didn't post it, that's the point. It's a PRIVATE message
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