Can we restore surgeons to nilla glory?

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Can we restore surgeons to nilla glory?

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On TAD surgeons are not so useful because the way to heal with them is to stand your army still around them.

However, on nilla they are much better. They have an ability with a cooldown; the ability heals any units inside a circle, similar to the portugese spyglass circle. Thus you can keep the surgeons in your base and heal critical units during a fight, such as falconets, cav, mercs, etc. Can we make them like in nilla pls?
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Aren’t they actually way worse on Nilla?

The cooldown is very long for the small amount of hp it gives you, you have far less control over how thinly you spread that healing, and on TAD even though you can’t heal during battle, you can heal far more hp out of combat than you can on Vanilla.

The only reason they’re not worth it on TAD is because of how expensive they are. You require a shipment or a church and then you need to be idle with your army which is also just not realistic in a lot of games.

Otherwise, in terms of raw numbers they’d be great.
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They are worse on nilla because nilla doesn't have howdahs. ;)
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>oh yeah surgeons
>how cool would they be
>hell yeah lets buff them
>yes
>yes
>yes
>but remember that h2o game when he cured elifents???
>that's like a factory in terms of resources
>oh wow right, but still
>the end of discussion

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"cured elifents" lmao
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For comparison, the Iroquois firepit has a big button that gives your Warchief the healing ability from Vanilla. It's completely worthless for the amount of resources you pay. However, if it gave you the same healing ability as a priest, surgeon, or Indian monk, I would get it almost every game.
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Can we restore priest to AOE1 glory ? #wololo
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Mitoe wrote:For comparison, the Iroquois firepit has a big button that gives your Warchief the healing ability from Vanilla. It's completely worthless for the amount of resources you pay. However, if it gave you the same healing ability as a priest, surgeon, or Indian monk, I would get it almost every game.

Well I think on nilla it heals at least 200 hp which is enough to heal a lot of units to full health, and the cooldown I think is not longer than a crackshot. Rather than use it between fights like on TAD, you could use it in the middle of fights; here are some things that happened to me:

My falcs were dying to a couple cav and I healed them.

Goons come to snipe falcs and you force them to eat a couple extra volleys for that

You go in with cav but by the time they reach skirms many are liw hp, so you can give them a big boost right as they come up on the enemy's army

I'm not sure that surgeons on nilla are even good, I just use them because they're really fun
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nice, now it took 3 hours and 8 posts for the discussion to die :hehe:
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Iirc on nilla, the cooldown for surgeons is half as long as the cooldown for regular priests, and they actually give much more hp too. So I think they used to be quite "good". But on tad iirc you can ship 4 of them, so it could be op if we restore to nilla surgeons lol
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Yeah they are way worse on vanilla. I find them useable on TAD
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Anything is worse on nilla.
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I liked nilla style healing better. Allows for more dynamic use of healer+army. It's also why I rarely use priest rushes now. On tad they can only be used to tank, while on nilla priests can actually fulfill the historical role they had as battlefield healers.
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What if they had both :hmm:
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pecelot wrote:nice, now it took 3 hours and 8 posts for the discussion to die :hehe:

Come again?
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Would it make a difference if healing were a single-unit target (like crackshot) vs. an area? Obviously the cool down and HP would have to be tweaked, but it would give a lot of precision.
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It would if you could heal falcs so that they survive an extra shot.
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They should heal during fights like medivacs.
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Everyone knows that healing infantry during fights like medivacs is the most satisfying way to win.
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It's op.
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Garja wrote:It's op.

It depends on how fast they heal lmao.
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lmao rotfl you don't want a unit that is about to be killed to magically revive during a battle. china has a wonder ability that does that and it's quite OP.
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Transcendence OP HLTV confirmado.
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Garja wrote:lmao rotfl you don't want a unit that is about to be killed to magically revive during a battle. china has a wonder ability that does that and it's quite OP.

What? Transcendence has got to be the worst wonder ability of all, it heals only 1000hp total and is on a 3.6 minute cooldown. That's worse heal rate than any regular healer unit has, and you can't even control who gets the heal - probably your irrelevant fallen monk on the other side of the map.
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Doesn't it heal every single unit completely? When you are at 220 old han army pop that's quite OP.
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