This is why AOE3 is dying!

[FarFetched]

Paragraph is in relation to video below, Mitoe VS GoonGoon FINALS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q5vBtoH6L4
My overall Insights from the Finals, and why ESOC needs to rethink who they allow to cast semi finals and Finals:
Chrisie is not a good caster. He made so many idiotic statements throughout this cast, tries to act better than what he is. And is really clueless about Japan despite acting like knowing them very well. When SirCallen (good caster), made his comment about the axe riders costing nearly no coin and a lot of food, Chrisie provides with great insight... "it's an even worse distribution than the Ashigaru Musk, those are extremely food heavy". Not only are Ashigaru not even food heavy at all, they have a perfect distribution 2:1 food to gold. They cost less food than both sepoy and jans. And only 5 more food then Musk. And they cost more gold than all musk units, making them the most evenly distributed heavy inf unit in the game. So where the fuck is Chrisie digging up extremely food heavy and worse than Axe rider in the distribution department. This is why AOE is coming to an end, we allow 2nd lts to run high level tourny games, it's quite sad. IMO at r032+ we should have only pr35+ casting. This isn't a hate speech on Chrisie as he probably is a great guy, but his game knowledge is lacking, and you can tell Callen is the one acting as the stabiliser here, keeping this fucking stream running.
In addition these are the facts , from my broad knowledge of AOE, qualified casters in my level headed opinion:
No particular Order altho I will say by far the best caster in AOE is Veni:
-Veni
-Zuta
-Inter (has learnt game knowledge over time alongisde zuta) and just has excellent commentary
-Hazza
-Kaiser (not queen, sorry, altho I'd still rather queen over chrisie or radix anyday, and queen+ kaiser together is decent)
-tabben
-Mitoe
-Callen
-Aizamk
-Umeu
-H20
-Wicked Cossack
-MusketJr
-Tedere12
-Butifle
-Jerom

I may have forgotten a few others but those are definitely the best casters
so why do we employ
Chrisie/Radix and others who know nothing about the game!

[richard]

Hello, thanks for your post.

I want to know the definition of "good", please

Well Greetings,
Yours,
Sincerely,
Richard IIIII

[FarFetched]

Hello, thanks for your post.

I want to know the definition of "good", please

Well Greetings,
Yours,
Sincerely,
Richard IIIII

I've compiled a list above.
Sincerely,
Your boy FarFetched

[nightscr3am]

i cant be the only one who saw 'Mitoe vs Goongoon FINALS!' and thought thats what the post was about

[momuuu]

You're not wrong. I really hate it when casters are just spurting out utter nonsense constantly. I get that some casters are not as great at the game and that can be fine, but in its current form its not. If you are a pr20 you shouldnt spend most of your cast criticizing player decisions that you actually dont understand in the slightest and your comments on how the game works are completely irrelvant. If a caster like that just mentions whatever is going on without slamming his useless opinion on it it would actually be fine. Not great, but not extremely annoying either.

I may have forgotten a few others but those are definitely the best casters
so why do we employ
Chrisie/Radix and others who know nothing about the game!

Because 'good' casters like Jerom are only available once in every ten solar eclipses while people like chrisie have a lot of availability and put in serious effort.

[FarFetched]

You're not wrong. I really hate it when casters are just spurting out utter nonsense constantly. I get that some casters are not as great at the game and that can be fine, but in its current form its not. If you are a pr20 you shouldnt spend most of your cast criticizing player decisions that you actually dont understand in the slightest and your comments on how the game works are completely irrelvant. If a caster like that just mentions whatever is going on without slamming his useless opinion on it it would actually be fine. Not great, but not extremely annoying either.

I may have forgotten a few others but those are definitely the best casters
so why do we employ
Chrisie/Radix and others who know nothing about the game!

Because 'good' casters like Jerom are only available once in every ten solar eclipses while people like chrisie have a lot of availability and put in serious effort.

I still think ESOC should really have pr32+ players casting atleast semi finals and finals, with exception of Interjection, seeing as he has been casting for like half a decade or more, and has developed decent knowledge, but has really good overall casting abilities, and often sticks to pointing out the obvious, occasionally provides his own insight, but doesn't do it in an annoying way, and hardly makes dumb comments like Chrisie.
"If your pr20 you shouldnt spend most of cast criticizing player decisions"
Pr20's shouldn't be casting period. Let alone Finals lol

[lordraphael]

You're not wrong. I really hate it when casters are just spurting out utter nonsense constantly. I get that some casters are not as great at the game and that can be fine, but in its current form its not. If you are a pr20 you shouldnt spend most of your cast criticizing player decisions that you actually dont understand in the slightest and your comments on how the game works are completely irrelvant. If a caster like that just mentions whatever is going on without slamming his useless opinion on it it would actually be fine. Not great, but not extremely annoying either.

I may have forgotten a few others but those are definitely the best casters
so why do we employ
Chrisie/Radix and others who know nothing about the game!

Because 'good' casters like Jerom are only available once in every ten solar eclipses while people like chrisie have a lot of availability and put in serious effort.

seems like its the fault of the good casters like jerom

[FarFetched]

Like I'm pretty sure goongoon vs rapha was solo casted by Radix Lecti. That has to be biggest joke, like cmon. A series like that deserved atleast a half decent caster, and half decent player, to provide decent insight. I was just waiting for Radix to make a few absurd comments, and boy did he deliver.

[P i k i l i c]

@FarFetched Hey man, even though there is some truth in what you stated, do you really believe what you wrote in the title? Imho it is a good example of clickbait.
You state "AoE3 is dying" and " Chrisie is not a good caster". But as @BrookG would tell you, correlation doesn't mean causation, and you didn't demonstrate any implication from the 2nd statement to the 1st one. For you to be right, you'd have to prove that "Chrisie not being a good caster and casting the finals of the ESOC Autumn 2017 Championship" is enough to discourage thousands of players to keep playing or to start playing AoE3, and you're far from doing this in the OP.

[Mr_Bramboy]

OP is Sir_Musket btw.

You're describing an unsolvable problem without offering any solutions. If you think that you're the only genius who has realized that having a pr20 cast the finals is not ideal, then you're wrong. Find me an active pr35 caster duo and then make a new thread, please. Usually I would advise people like you to send an application to Jim, but having a banned player on the casting team would probably not reflect well on ESOC.

[edeholland]

You could try giving constructive criticism to help casters improve (I see that I am also not in your list, so I would love to hear what I should do better) but since I have noticed your inability to improve yourself, I doubt you are able to be helpful to others.

[FarFetched]

@FarFetched Hey man, even though there is some truth in what you stated, do you really believe what you wrote in the title? Imho it is a good example of clickbait.
You state "AoE3 is dying" and " Chrisie is not a good caster". But as @BrookG would tell you, correlation doesn't mean causation, and you didn't demonstrate any implication from the 2nd statement to the 1st one. For you to be right, you'd have to prove that "Chrisie not being a good caster and casting the finals of the ESOC Autumn 2017 Championship" is enough to discourage thousands of players to keep playing or to start playing AoE3, and you're far from doing this in the OP.

Yes I believe in what I say

[BrookG]

@FarFetched Hey man, even though there is some truth in what you stated, do you really believe what you wrote in the title? Imho it is a good example of clickbait.
You state "AoE3 is dying" and " Chrisie is not a good caster". But as @BrookG would tell you, correlation doesn't mean causation, and you didn't demonstrate any implication from the 2nd statement to the 1st one. For you to be right, you'd have to prove that "Chrisie not being a good caster and casting the finals of the ESOC Autumn 2017 Championship" is enough to discourage thousands of players to keep playing or to start playing AoE3, and you're far from doing this in the OP.

OMG MY SIGNATURE WAS QUOTED! (sorry for caps, couldn't handle my excitement).

But indeed, managing the ESOC resources, whether is casters, staff, or any other kind of resources, is by no means a trivial task. Quality stream is being stabilised with regards resolution. From what I have observed, this tournament has been running rather smoothly, with few delays and decent scheduling. Then we need to minimise map rehosts, for less waiting time during stream. This could mean better refinement of maps, utilizing helping tools of the UI, or a unilateral and possibly stricter approach for whether a rehost should occur. Lastly, the content with regards casting is the hardest to deal with, especially considering the few amount of available casters, in general or scheduled. Nevertheless, discarding a few people that don't have the proper game knowledge could potentially mean that the games will not be streamed or casted at all.

As for believing what you say, doesn't provide evidence for your argument, but rather diminishing its value calling purely to your personal opinion, without any other support.

[Googol]

Hit me up if you need a coaster if there's lack of them.

[pecelot]

what if you need a Koaster

[princeofkabul]

where is @H2O_ , when we need a caster?

[edeholland]

where is @H2O_ , when we need a caster?

More importantly, where is @_H2O ?

[HUMMAN]

Well cleary since better casters are not avaible other casters come to help, and they learn in the process if they are motivated.(like inter greatest.caster for some people) And retarted people like u keep demotivating casters and ironically state aoe is dying because of that. Xdddd

[QueenOfdestiny]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X44ISz51bZg#



Sadly I don't find the best point but should be around 40-50min in the lobby...
Enjoy it

[kami_ryu]

OP is Sir_Musket btw.

That basically made the thread entirely irrelevant. Chrisie casting games is not killing aoe3, but moesbar hacking and being toxic to the community like sirmusket... yeah that will.

[Hazza54321]

GO OFF incoguuu

[momuuu]

OP is Sir_Musket btw.

That basically made the thread entirely irrelevant. Chrisie casting games is not killing aoe3, but moesbar hacking and being toxic to the community like sirmusket... yeah that will.

Why does that invalidate whatever point he is making?

[Kaiserklein]

Why is musket not banned already? And why is the guy who literally showed the worst casting skills ever (see the video linked by queen in this thread) flaming anyone else casting?
And wow yeah, guess what, if we had a bunch of people who are pr35+, and actually want to cast, and have a decent english, and do a good job at casting, and are available to cast when we need them... Maybe we'd have more pr35+ casting the later rounds, who knows??!!?!?

[Kaiserklein]

OP is Sir_Musket btw.

That basically made the thread entirely irrelevant. Chrisie casting games is not killing aoe3, but moesbar hacking and being toxic to the community like sirmusket... yeah that will.

Why does that invalidate whatever point he is making?

His point? You mean, "pr 30-35+ have better knowledge than 2lts"? ...

[Hazza54321]

I would like to cast more but my mic setup is abit awkward i still dont know if it was my end or lecastete. Also being ridiculously overpowered and by making kids look like fools has made it hard to cast my own games