Cometk wrote:A much more active management of the twitch to YouTube porting will require quite a bit more manpower.
The only thing that needs to be done is actually not purposely delaying uploads..
Cometk wrote:A much more active management of the twitch to YouTube porting will require quite a bit more manpower.
Gendarme wrote:I think they intentionally delay uploads to have a constant stream of "new" content.
momuuu wrote:Cometk wrote:A much more active management of the twitch to YouTube porting will require quite a bit more manpower.
The only thing that needs to be done is actually not purposely delaying uploads..
momuuu wrote:umeu wrote:momuuu wrote:Please just upload the tournament games asap. Youtube has 0 value to me because by the time serious matches are uploaded they've long been spoiled. And given that I currently don't actively follow the scene but simply occasionally look at a twitch stream, I am having a hard time following the tournament. There are almost no news posts here, the content on youtube is mostly irrelevant pr25 players duking it out to get bashed by a serious player and the twitch streams are packed with similair boring second chance games. The notification "ESOCTV has gone live" is worthless to me because I dont know what I will find when I tune in. Chances are its just another irrelevant game or showmatch, or that Ill be staring at the countdown for over an hour. Youtube uploads are mostly irrelevant and there seems to be little way to otherwise keep up with the tournament or follow the storyline of it because there is also a lack of newsposts. The only real thing there is to follow the tournament is some google calendar thing which is unfortunate because a) i dont use it and b) if I would use it I would never want to have it cluttered with aoe3 related stuff.
Honestly, in every regard esoc is failing to engage the slightly less dedicated person. There are almost no real tools to keep up, unless you want to dig through poorly named twitch vods while trying to not get spoiled but also trying to skip all the irrelevant matches.
or... you know... watch twitch videos...it's not that hard at all to find the right video.
like... can you blame a volunteer organization with very limited resources for focusing only or at least mainly on the dedicated core of the community theyre trying to serve, instead of putting in tons of effort to reach those few, or perhaps even many, individuals who are too lazy or care too little to spend a few clicks to find out pretty much all the things your asking for.
imo your demand is completely unreasonable. kinda the fact youre making demands, at least in that tone, is already unreasonable. it's not like your paying for a service which you arent getting...
There are no demands, only observations on how ESOC fails to engage the slightly less dedicated user in almost every regard. And the solution isnt unreasonable at all: instead of purposely delaying uploading games to youtube they should just upload to youtube within a week of the round finishing so that they actually keep up with the tournament. Thats not unreasonable at all..
Mr_Bramboy wrote:Gendarme wrote:I think they intentionally delay uploads to have a constant stream of "new" content.
No they're just lazymomuuu wrote:Cometk wrote:A much more active management of the twitch to YouTube porting will require quite a bit more manpower.
The only thing that needs to be done is actually not purposely delaying uploads..
That's your opinion, not a fact. The youtube channel exists for all audiences, and unfortunately for you, the hardcore audience is not the biggest share, though the forums might make you believe otherwise since that's where the hardcore fanbase is most prominent.
lemmings121 wrote:Its ok having to wait for games to come on youtube imo. if you want to follow the latest game from one hour ago, there is twitch past broadcasts. its nice having new games beeing posted daily on YT.
BUT, you could prioritize the main event over second chance, and only post second chance games when there arent any games from the main event "in queue".
ChewSick wrote:just stream on youtube, then you don't need to upload the games because they're already there.
I prefer youtube streams anyway because it allows you to pause or hop back
MCJim wrote:ChewSick wrote:just stream on youtube, then you don't need to upload the games because they're already there.
I prefer youtube streams anyway because it allows you to pause or hop back
Yes then they are on YouTube, but they still have to be cut out. There's no option on YouTube for that (anymore). This is sadly not an option. Just highlighting them on Twitch and exporting them to YouTube is the easiest, right now.
momuuu wrote: How can it be that I don't even know at what stage of the tournament we are at? Are we looking at the finals, the semi finals? I wouldn't even know, I don't even know who's going to face who next up.
Cometk wrote:While there are a lot of important points brought up here about how we can improve Media and tournament promotion, I get the overwhelming feeling that the biggest thing that has changed on ESOC is Jerom’s interest in AoE3.
momuuu wrote:Cometk wrote:While there are a lot of important points brought up here about how we can improve Media and tournament promotion, I get the overwhelming feeling that the biggest thing that has changed on ESOC is Jerom’s interest in AoE3.
And how do you do that? By doing more than zero to engage a person like that. How does one regain interest? Seeing good games being played out is at least a great start. But no, ESOC doesn't even attempt to engage such a person in the slightest. It's only about the youtube algorithm.
momuuu wrote:I have a serious question for the media team:
Given the insane competition for entertainment there currently is in the world*, how would a non-diehard fan keep up with this tournament and end up being engaged into the community due to the tournament? What are the realistic means for this type of person to actually follow a tournament? What makes it so that the games that currently show up on youtube aren't glorified showmatches with little extra weight to it? How can it be that I don't even know at what stage of the tournament we are at? Are we looking at the finals, the semi finals? I wouldn't even know, I don't even know who's going to face who next up. How can the current approach even be justified to people that aren't diehards?
*For example, I follow around 18 active youtube channels, which in this weak have uploaded 411 minutes of content in the past 24 hours, while I also closely follow football. There are also countless of forum/reddit posts to spend attention on, aswell as over 30 games installed on my computer that I would like to play. This is what I assume a reasonable average competition that ESOC faces when it comes to anyone with a variety of interests.
Mr_Bramboy wrote:momuuu wrote:I have a serious question for the media team:
Given the insane competition for entertainment there currently is in the world*, how would a non-diehard fan keep up with this tournament and end up being engaged into the community due to the tournament? What are the realistic means for this type of person to actually follow a tournament? What makes it so that the games that currently show up on youtube aren't glorified showmatches with little extra weight to it? How can it be that I don't even know at what stage of the tournament we are at? Are we looking at the finals, the semi finals? I wouldn't even know, I don't even know who's going to face who next up. How can the current approach even be justified to people that aren't diehards?
*For example, I follow around 18 active youtube channels, which in this weak have uploaded 411 minutes of content in the past 24 hours, while I also closely follow football. There are also countless of forum/reddit posts to spend attention on, aswell as over 30 games installed on my computer that I would like to play. This is what I assume a reasonable average competition that ESOC faces when it comes to anyone with a variety of interests.
I'm not speaking in the name of the media team, but I don't think the goal of the youtube channel is to compete for the #1 spot of the interests of people. I see the channel more as a project of volunteers to satisfy a nice community, not as a weapon of mass destruction meant to reach and influence as many people as possible.
momuuu wrote:I have a serious question for the media team:
Given the insane competition for entertainment there currently is in the world*, how would a non-diehard fan keep up with this tournament and end up being engaged into the community due to the tournament? What are the realistic means for this type of person to actually follow a tournament? What makes it so that the games that currently show up on youtube aren't glorified showmatches with little extra weight to it? How can it be that I don't even know at what stage of the tournament we are at? Are we looking at the finals, the semi finals? I wouldn't even know, I don't even know who's going to face who next up. How can the current approach even be justified to people that aren't diehards?
*For example, I follow around 18 active youtube channels, which in this weak have uploaded 411 minutes of content in the past 24 hours, while I also closely follow football. There are also countless of forum/reddit posts to spend attention on, aswell as over 30 games installed on my computer that I would like to play. This is what I assume a reasonable average competition that ESOC faces when it comes to anyone with a variety of interests.
umeu wrote:momuuu wrote:I have a serious question for the media team:
Given the insane competition for entertainment there currently is in the world*, how would a non-diehard fan keep up with this tournament and end up being engaged into the community due to the tournament? What are the realistic means for this type of person to actually follow a tournament? What makes it so that the games that currently show up on youtube aren't glorified showmatches with little extra weight to it? How can it be that I don't even know at what stage of the tournament we are at? Are we looking at the finals, the semi finals? I wouldn't even know, I don't even know who's going to face who next up. How can the current approach even be justified to people that aren't diehards?
*For example, I follow around 18 active youtube channels, which in this weak have uploaded 411 minutes of content in the past 24 hours, while I also closely follow football. There are also countless of forum/reddit posts to spend attention on, aswell as over 30 games installed on my computer that I would like to play. This is what I assume a reasonable average competition that ESOC faces when it comes to anyone with a variety of interests.
i have a serious question for you. Why would you even try? It's not like someone whos even too lazy to look for a couple of videos, or too uninterested to follow the main event, is going to donate or be a valuable member to the community. esoc isnt a company in a competition for your consumership, its just a group of people enjoying a hobby. honestly youre sounding like a boardmember of a multinational who failed to meet their quarterly expected growth...
momuuu wrote:I think I didn't play a game from somewhere around 2014 till basically the start of 2018, and yet I watched all their content.
guyshir wrote:momuuu wrote:I think I didn't play a game from somewhere around 2014 till basically the start of 2018, and yet I watched all their content.
MCJim wrote:Speaking about the YouTube discussion... The reasons against changing the YouTube policy are in this post: viewtopic.php?p=331104#p331091 It's simple: the majority of the people that filled in the survey, want one video a day. I'd say the discussion is closed.
I for one, can't just totally change the policy of the YouTube channel because there's a small group of people that want to see the games on YouTube immediately. We don't have the manpower, I don't have the time for it and the most important reason: this group of the up to date tournament followers (Twitch audience) is way smaller than the group that likes to follow the tournament on YouTube. Therefore I stand up for their interest: meaning ONE video per day!
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