What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

What type of play do you want to see more of?

Colonial play
20
41%
Late game
14
29%
Fine as it is
14
29%
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 49

User avatar
No Flag Jaeger
Jaeger
Posts: 4492
Joined: Feb 28, 2015

What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

  • Quote

Post by Jaeger »

There has recently been some talk of buffing colonial play. I think we may all enjoy a new style of play for some time, but I don't think colonial play is the way to maximize the fun of both watching and playing.

I think the the biggest obstacle to fun is that games end when the natural resources run out. The reason is: if mills/plantations are viable, it will lead to more late game games. The reason why lategame is good is because it opens the door to a whole new set of strategies which haven't been explored too much. In lategame, you can have a much more diverse unit composition; mortars, horse art, factories, heavy cannons, new and cool HC shipments, natives etc.

There are also more decisions to be made; ship military upgrades or economic ones? Ship factories or HC? Invest in german SW boom or not? Etc.

The biggest objection I can think of is that this will lead to turtly play, which is boring. But I think if we combine this change with a massive wall nerf (for example build limit on walls), it will be perfect.

To see an example a really good such game, here is Princeofkabul vs Nagayumi, Game 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo8pCiVSTpU
last time i cryed was because i stood on Lego
User avatar
Spain Snuden
Jaeger
Posts: 4276
Joined: Dec 28, 2016
ESO: Snuden
Location: Costa del Baphomet

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Snuden »

I like to watch either a very aggressive rush or a Kynesie water play strategy.
Skirm/goon age 3 play makes me close the stream before the players even reach 30 villagers.

When playing I often end up with a passive "Age 2 unit mass" style, which haven't really worked for 1600+ games, and probably never will.
Looks cool on the post-game graph though.
[Sith] - Baphomet
User avatar
Poland pecelot
Retired Contributor
Donator 03
Posts: 10459
Joined: Mar 25, 2015
ESO: Pezet

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

  • Quote

Post by pecelot »

Each game can be interesting, regardless of the setting, but I seem to enjoy a lot games where a lot of creativity is involved, which is usually determined by late game, which in turn opens up more possibilities. Colonial skirmishes, where economies are small and every unit counts, are quite tense and satisfactory, too.
User avatar
No Flag Jaeger
Jaeger
Posts: 4492
Joined: Feb 28, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Jaeger »

pecelot wrote:Each game can be interesting, regardless of the setting, but I seem to enjoy a lot games where a lot of creativity is involved, which is usually determined by late game, which in turn opens up more possibilities. Colonial skirmishes, where economies are small and every unit counts, are quite tense and satisfactory, too.

I completely agree. But the thing is, if I had to see one style forever, I would rather see the lategame style. My concern is that if we buff colonial, we will see just more of the colonial style with only 2-3 types of units, and even less of the lategame style that we see now.
last time i cryed was because i stood on Lego
User avatar
India Challenger_Marco
ESOC Media Team
Posts: 2689
Joined: Nov 23, 2015
ESO: challenger_marco

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Challenger_Marco »

It should be just as it is ,no need of buffing ,nerfing or anything.
:nwc:
United States of America evilcheadar
Gendarme
Posts: 5786
Joined: Aug 20, 2015
Location: USA

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by evilcheadar »

more extreme rushes
A post not made is a post given away

A slushie a day keeps the refill thread at bay

Jackson Pollock was the best poster to ever to post on these forums
No Flag deleted_user0
Ninja
Posts: 13004
Joined: Apr 28, 2020

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by deleted_user0 »

ovi12 wrote:
pecelot wrote:Each game can be interesting, regardless of the setting, but I seem to enjoy a lot games where a lot of creativity is involved, which is usually determined by late game, which in turn opens up more possibilities. Colonial skirmishes, where economies are small and every unit counts, are quite tense and satisfactory, too.

I completely agree. But the thing is, if I had to see one style forever, I would rather see the lategame style. My concern is that if we buff colonial, we will see just more of the colonial style with only 2-3 types of units, and even less of the lategame style that we see now.


watch treaty.
User avatar
Germany yemshi
Jaeger
Posts: 2311
Joined: Jun 3, 2015
ESO: yemshi
Location: Germany

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by yemshi »

Good and helpful advice!
User avatar
Poland pecelot
Retired Contributor
Donator 03
Posts: 10459
Joined: Mar 25, 2015
ESO: Pezet

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by pecelot »

big boi oreo schooling those filthy rookies, sorry, sir
User avatar
No Flag Jaeger
Jaeger
Posts: 4492
Joined: Feb 28, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Jaeger »

umeu wrote:
ovi12 wrote:
pecelot wrote:Each game can be interesting, regardless of the setting, but I seem to enjoy a lot games where a lot of creativity is involved, which is usually determined by late game, which in turn opens up more possibilities. Colonial skirmishes, where economies are small and every unit counts, are quite tense and satisfactory, too.

I completely agree. But the thing is, if I had to see one style forever, I would rather see the lategame style. My concern is that if we buff colonial, we will see just more of the colonial style with only 2-3 types of units, and even less of the lategame style that we see now.


Treaty is too much walls and too much infinite res. Watch Prince vs Nagayumi and come again

watch treaty.
last time i cryed was because i stood on Lego
No Flag deleted_user
Ninja
Posts: 14364
Joined: Mar 26, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by deleted_user »

More boring part is people only watch one person's recs and just copy their bo's. there was bunch of good players in the past playing at any age with their own bo's such as Musketjr, Goongoon, Diarouga, Acergame, Mongo10 asian good players such as Jui, Shmras, Boneng, Nagayumi, setugen, nowadays people stick to certain bo's and playing with them. Im sure most players unaware what kind of bonuses the nat improvments give or how rattan rush is broken as hell. There isnt much thing you can do about it
User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Interjection »

I think you're asking the wrong question with that poll.

I don't want to vote because my answer is: 'A healthy blend of different styles'.

I think a good start would be to reduce the cost of mills and plantations and possibly make the upgrades cheaper (or at least research more quickly). Perhaps land grab could also have this effect.
User avatar
Sweden Gendarme
Gendarme
Donator 03
Posts: 5132
Joined: Sep 11, 2016
ESO: Gendarme

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Gendarme »

I just wanna see more bow/pike. <3
Pay more attention to detail.
User avatar
No Flag Jaeger
Jaeger
Posts: 4492
Joined: Feb 28, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Jaeger »

Interjection wrote:I think you're asking the wrong question with that poll.

I don't want to vote because my answer is: 'A healthy blend of different styles'.

I think a good start would be to reduce the cost of mills and plantations and possibly make the upgrades cheaper (or at least research more quickly). Perhaps land grab could also have this effect.

Yes that's true. I guess my point is that out of all the styles, late-game is the best, and I'm worried that buffind colonial play like some people want will make games even less likely to reach that state.
last time i cryed was because i stood on Lego
User avatar
No Flag 91
Retired Contributor
Donator 01
Posts: 493
Joined: Jun 21, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by 91 »

Interjection wrote:I think you're asking the wrong question with that poll.

I don't want to vote because my answer is: 'A healthy blend of different styles'.

I think a good start would be to reduce the cost of mills and plantations and possibly make the upgrades cheaper (or at least research more quickly). Perhaps land grab could also have this effect.


Topic title and poll question are different, would be good if someone update. Anyway, the poll says "What type of play do you want to see more of?" :smile:
User avatar
New Zealand zoom
Gendarme
Posts: 9314
Joined: Apr 26, 2015
ESO: Funnu
Location: New_Sweland

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by zoom »

Neither. I want diversity. As Goodspeed has pointed out a few dozen times, though, a developed meta gravitates toward relative greed and late-game play.
User avatar
No Flag Jaeger
Jaeger
Posts: 4492
Joined: Feb 28, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Jaeger »

91 wrote:
Interjection wrote:I think you're asking the wrong question with that poll.

I don't want to vote because my answer is: 'A healthy blend of different styles'.

I think a good start would be to reduce the cost of mills and plantations and possibly make the upgrades cheaper (or at least research more quickly). Perhaps land grab could also have this effect.


Topic title and poll question are different, would be good if someone update. Anyway, the poll says "What type of play do you want to see more of?" :smile:


I don't see how the topic and poll questions are very different, they are almost identical.
last time i cryed was because i stood on Lego
No Flag ssaraf
Dragoon
Posts: 208
Joined: Jun 19, 2015
ESO: robinhood_xing

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by ssaraf »

ovi12 wrote:To see an example a really good such game, here is Princeofkabul vs Nagayumi, Game 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo8pCiVSTpU


I agree with @Jaeger and the above game is my favourite game of all time in ESOC history. Thanks @princeofkabul for this insane game. <3
User avatar
No Flag 91
Retired Contributor
Donator 01
Posts: 493
Joined: Jun 21, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by 91 »

ovi12 wrote:
91 wrote:
Interjection wrote:I think you're asking the wrong question with that poll.

I don't want to vote because my answer is: 'A healthy blend of different styles'.

I think a good start would be to reduce the cost of mills and plantations and possibly make the upgrades cheaper (or at least research more quickly). Perhaps land grab could also have this effect.


Topic title and poll question are different, would be good if someone update. Anyway, the poll says "What type of play do you want to see more of?" :smile:


I don't see how the topic and poll questions are very different, they are almost identical.


If people vote they like colonial the most it means they want a majority of the games colonial based.

If people vote they like to see more colonial it can still mean they want a mix of all types, but that the current state of the game is not enough colonial.

So I'm not sure what the poll is really saying

:biggrin:
User avatar
No Flag Jaeger
Jaeger
Posts: 4492
Joined: Feb 28, 2015

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Jaeger »

91 wrote:
ovi12 wrote:
Show hidden quotes


I don't see how the topic and poll questions are very different, they are almost identical.


If people vote they like colonial the most it means they want a majority of the games colonial based.

If people vote they like to see more colonial it can still mean they want a mix of all types, but that the current state of the game is not enough colonial.

So I'm not sure what the poll is really saying

:biggrin:


Fair enough, but I expect people's interpretations and responses to be kind of all over the place, so as long as the topic and poll title point to approximately the same idea, we will have the desired discussion. I'm expecting ESOC standards for the responses not stackexchange ones :P
last time i cryed was because i stood on Lego
User avatar
Brazil Luciofrancosi
Skirmisher
Posts: 183
Joined: Oct 6, 2017
ESO: luciofrancosi
Location: UK

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Luciofrancosi »

To be fair I think the game is ok the way it is, there are a few things that I believe that could make it better like making water more contestable, nerfing dock attack would be a great way of doing this!!
If ppl want colonial play so much, than I think xbows could use a buff on this case!! Since promoting this kinda of playstyle will put some civs in huge disadvantages, specially when dealing against a civ like India or russia!!
"Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting"

Sun Tzu - The art of war
User avatar
United States of America Hidddy_
Retired Contributor
Posts: 379
Joined: Jan 9, 2017
ESO: Hidalgito
Location: Miami, Florida, USA

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by Hidddy_ »

Let's play yukon and Painted Desert again
De Funk
No Flag kami_ryu
Retired Contributor
Posts: 2196
Joined: Jan 2, 2017

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

  • Quote

Post by kami_ryu »

One option should be "kynesie"
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by momuuu »

zoom wrote:Neither. I want diversity. As Goodspeed has pointed out a few dozen times, though, a developed meta gravitates toward relative greed and late-game play.

This is absolute bullshit though. A meta gravitates towards what is best. If aggression is best the meta will be aggressive.
User avatar
Australia VooDoo_BoSs
Dragoon
Posts: 254
Joined: Jul 7, 2016
ESO: VooDoo_BoSs
Location: Australia

Re: What is the type of playstyle you want to see/play the most?

Post by VooDoo_BoSs »

ovi12 wrote:
pecelot wrote:Each game can be interesting, regardless of the setting, but I seem to enjoy a lot games where a lot of creativity is involved, which is usually determined by late game, which in turn opens up more possibilities. Colonial skirmishes, where economies are small and every unit counts, are quite tense and satisfactory, too.

I completely agree. But the thing is, if I had to see one style forever, I would rather see the lategame style. My concern is that if we buff colonial, we will see just more of the colonial style with only 2-3 types of units, and even less of the lategame style that we see now.


This.

By definition, the variety of gameplay we see during lategame is greater than early-game due to the greater number of units / techs, etc. available. Having this variety is the difference between a stale game and one that stays interesting / exciting (eg: early TWC was dominated by Iro at the mid-high level due to their dominant strategies).

I think that FIs with some civs are becoming a bit more popular which is refreshing, and the water boom meta is also a nice change. Would love to see more of this and buffs to other mid/late-game technologies such as unique church card.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests

Which top 10 players do you wish to see listed?

All-time

Active last two weeks

Active last month

Supremacy

Treaty

Official

ESOC Patch

Treaty Patch

1v1 Elo

2v2 Elo

3v3 Elo

Power Rating

Which streams do you wish to see listed?

Twitch

Age of Empires III

Age of Empires IV