Pull" Trick" discussion

[Garja]

Pull trick is just another bonus to ranged unit which already seem to dominate melee units in aoe3.

Pull trick also helps melee infantry greatly.

No?

[Sargsyan]

Pull trick is just another bonus to ranged unit which already seem to dominate melee units in aoe3.

Pull trick also helps melee infantry greatly.

No?

Spain?

[Cometk]

Pull trick is just another bonus to ranged unit which already seem to dominate melee units in aoe3.

Pull trick also helps melee infantry greatly.

No?

watch hazza's stream and you'll see he's constantly flipping with his skirm rod composition. both kaiser and mitoe have used dopp uhlan pull trick in tourney games

[Garja]

I do also flip skirm/rods,maces/pumas and so on. That's not pull trick. Pull trick is when you use the formation mechanic to move units at 200% speed across a whole screen.

[n0el]

It’s the same mechanic

[Garja]

It is the same mechanic but it's not the same use.
And back to the previous, it doesn't help meele infantry. Because hardly heavy infantry wants to be pulled back when it finally meelee something.

[Cometk]

it's using units nearby to boost your other units to max velocity. it's a slightly different use but it's still pull trick

i also do this type of pull trick in the mameluke ronin cassador time to micro scenario. i use my cassadors to flip my ronins directly into the melee skirmish

[Garja]

it's using units nearby to boost your other units to max velocity to your advantage. it's a slightly different use but it's still pull trick

The pull trick abuse is mostly to beat the snare and get out of sticky situaitons.

[SoldieR]

That is EXACTLY what is happening when you flip army! lmao. and if you think german players dont pull dops into musk for melee fights then ur blind.

[SoldieR]

I pull every single unit type every game. How is it only helping some units?

[Garja]

If anything you push dopps into anything...
Flipping units it's not the same as pulling units one screen away...

[n0el]

If anything you push dopps into anything...
Flipping units it's not the same as pulling units one screen away...

Why? You are doing to by abusing the formation mechanic to gain an advantage.

[princeofkabul]

top scene in aoe 3 is who can utilize the gamebreaking stuff the best? should just allow fast shooting I guess and let everyone hone their abusing "skills" ^^ as much as possible. im totally in for that.

[SoldieR]

Chasing down musk huss with dop uhlan is pulling. Not "pushing" or flipping. Its pulling.

Now I realize why some people are staying out of this convo. Im out.

[Goodspeed]

lol you've both played aoe3 for years and now all of a sudden you start bitching about an inherent part of the game..?

Because no one abused it until fairly recently?

I mean sure, but there's been very little evidence presented to show that it's actually game-breaking. There's definitely some situations where it's very good, but it's been a mostly well-understood mechanic for a couple of years at this point, and it feels like I can't really use it in the vast majority of my games, nor do I really see anyone else able to abuse it to the extent that it seems broken.

The situations in which it's arguably broken is mostly with pulling infantry with cavalry, except you almost never have enough cavalry to actually do that, and if you do then you're putting all of your eggs in that pull basket and you're likely not going to be able to win any straight up fights.

I'm not arguing either way. I don't even know how impactful it is because I've never seen it abused. My only point was that it makes sense that people took this long to start complaining about it.

[richard]

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Answer this yes/no question with one word. Does it make sense/is it balanced for a unit to be able to move at 1.5x its normal speed given that you have another unit on the field?

yeah i would sprint the fuck away from a losing fight too

You cant even answer a yes/no question with one word if the other person explicitly asks you to do that.

And You want to get solutions to problems by discussing?

That s ridiculous.

i quite clearly answered yes

You re a fucking idiot, that s all i answer.

[Cometk]

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Answer this yes/no question with one word. Does it make sense/is it balanced for a unit to be able to move at 1.5x its normal speed given that you have another unit on the field?

yeah i would sprint the fuck away from a losing fight too

You cant even answer a yes/no question with one word if the other person explicitly asks you to do that.

And You want to get solutions to problems by discussing?

That s ridiculous.

i quite clearly answered yes

You re a fucking idiot, that s all i answer.

Does it make sense . . . ?

yeah

[Sargsyan]

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Answer this yes/no question with one word. Does it make sense/is it balanced for a unit to be able to move at 1.5x its normal speed given that you have another unit on the field?

yeah i would sprint the fuck away from a losing fight too

You cant even answer a yes/no question with one word if the other person explicitly asks you to do that.

And You want to get solutions to problems by discussing?

That s ridiculous.

i quite clearly answered yes

You re a fucking idiot, that s all i answer.

Does it make sense . . . ?

yeah

You do not tolerate an insult like this, show some dominance wigger

[gibson]

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Answer this yes/no question with one word. Does it make sense/is it balanced for a unit to be able to move at 1.5x its normal speed given that you have another unit on the field?

yeah i would sprint the fuck away from a losing fight too

You cant even answer a yes/no question with one word if the other person explicitly asks you to do that.

And You want to get solutions to problems by discussing?

That s ridiculous.

i quite clearly answered yes

You re a fucking idiot, that s all i answer.

Does it make sense . . . ?

yeah

You cant even answer a yes/no question with one word if the other person explicitly asks you to do that.

And You want to get solutions to problems by discussing?

That s ridiculous.

[gibson]

Also alt d is the same mechanic as switching a pikeman to cover mode. Just cause something uses the same mechanic as a legitimate and intended game function doesn't mean it is a legitimate and intended game function( it also doesnt mean it isnt, but you cant say flipping units is legit and intended therefore pulling a cannon halfway across the map at 6 speed is legit and intended.)

[Mitoe]

No one said it was intended for you to use it to pull your units: it's simply taking advantage of the well-defined principles in how the formation mechanic was designed to work, whereas Alt-D subverts well defined mechanics for revival.

[gh0st]

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Answer this yes/no question with one word. Does it make sense/is it balanced for a unit to be able to move at 1.5x its normal speed given that you have another unit on the field?

yeah i would sprint the fuck away from a losing fight too

You cant even answer a yes/no question with one word if the other person explicitly asks you to do that.

And You want to get solutions to problems by discussing?

That s ridiculous.

i quite clearly answered yes

You re a fucking idiot, that s all i answer.

There you go!

[jesus3]

pull-out method is risky, kids. Wear condoms, don't be a dick and expect women to take the pill

[amiggo1999]

Why not make a poll to see what the community wants: if they want to keep the pull mechanic or not.

[gibson]

Cause it wouldn't matter. Even if every single person wants it gone it can't be gotten rid of.