Pull" Trick" discussion

[[Armag] diarouga]

People used the moesbar maphack on nilla in 2013? You sure about that?
I know there was the maphack/OOS software, I just don't think it would actually give LOS to your units

Nah, there was a lot of maphack, zoomhack, oos (almost everybody had the nilla maphack/oos at some point), but moesbar came with moesbar in 2015.

[deleted_user]

diarouga should know -- the man knows all about cheating and how to spread them.

User was warned for baiting.

[deleted_user]

lol since when did mods (instantly) remove factual posts about users intentionally spreading moesbar hacks?

[deleted_user]

@ESOCommunity boy, shick. at least talk.

I thought it was policy anyways to leave the messages up and edit the comments that the user was warned/banned for this behavior.

[deleted_user]

People used the moesbar maphack on nilla in 2013? You sure about that?
I know there was the maphack/OOS software, I just don't think it would actually give LOS to your units

(almost everybody had the nilla maphack/oos at some point)

This is an interesting choice of words. Would any other circa 2013 nilla players care to commentate?

[gibson]

People used the moesbar maphack on nilla in 2013? You sure about that?
I know there was the maphack/OOS software, I just don't think it would actually give LOS to your units

(almost everybody had the nilla maphack/oos at some point)

This is an interesting choice of words. Would any other circa 2013 nilla players care to commentate?

Why liebe?

[Astaroth]

Maybe I missed it in the discussion, but don't falcs lock on as well? I remember at least one game in which I think knusch had falcs and used ruyters forward to kinda extend their range.

Personally, as long as it is tied to LOS, I feel it is fine. But if it were up to me, I'd probably remove all these unintended gimmicks from the game (using QOL features to gain a significant unintended advantage), including lock on and pulltrick. But as long as they are in the game, "banning" them makes little sense imo. Too hard to control and too hard to differentiate between this and accidents.

[Mr_Bramboy]

Maybe I missed it in the discussion, but don't falcs lock on as well? I remember at least one game in which I think knusch had falcs and used ruyters forward to kinda extend their range

All units lock on. Good players will perform the trick you mentioned to get one more falconet volley in. The lock-on allows the unit to finish its attack animation. The problem with warships is that their attack animation is continuous and does not have a clear start and end. This allows them to continue their attack as long as the unit stays in range.

This is clearly different from the pull trick. In this case, you have the option of simply moving your units out of range of whatever is giving LOS to the warship. There is nothing you can do about your opponent's continuous deliberate use of the pull trick.

[Aizamk]

People used the moesbar maphack on nilla in 2013? You sure about that?
I know there was the maphack/OOS software, I just don't think it would actually give LOS to your units

(almost everybody had the nilla maphack/oos at some point)

This is an interesting choice of words. Would any other circa 2013 nilla players care to commentate?

Maybe I just have a high tolerance for this/tend to give the benefit of the doubt, but of all my years in nilla I can only recall one time where it felt like my opponent was blatantly maphacking. MH is a convenient excuse when you're losing as a pr25 vs pr35 though. There was a consensus that anyone above pr35 had to be hacking; probably only less prevalent today due to the influx of streaming. Over the years of smurfing people while they're streaming (or otherwise) there's only a few people who have gone with "the guy was just good" instead of "noob hacker out".

[[Armag] diarouga]

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People used the moesbar maphack on nilla in 2013? You sure about that?
I know there was the maphack/OOS software, I just don't think it would actually give LOS to your units

(almost everybody had the nilla maphack/oos at some point)

This is an interesting choice of words. Would any other circa 2013 nilla players care to commentate?

Maybe I just have a high tolerance for this/tend to give the benefit of the doubt, but of all my years in nilla I can only recall one time where it felt like my opponent was blatantly maphacking. MH is a convenient excuse when you're losing as a pr25 vs pr35 though. There was a consensus that anyone above pr35 had to be hacking; probably only less prevalent today due to the influx of streaming. Over the years of smurfing people while they're streaming (or otherwise) there's only a few people who have gone with "the guy was just good" instead of "noob hacker out".

I didn't mean to say that people used the maphack in rated games. Some did (irishfaithful for example), though probably not against pr25, but many people had it, just to test it.

[Kaiserklein]

I definitely played against more than 1 maphacker on nilla. But definitely not almost everybody had it

[deleted_user]

People used the moesbar maphack on nilla in 2013? You sure about that?
I know there was the maphack/OOS software, I just don't think it would actually give LOS to your units

(almost everybody had the nilla maphack/oos at some point)

This is an interesting choice of words. Would any other circa 2013 nilla players care to commentate?

I'm also a nilla player and used to play nilla mainly during that period, nilla maphack was quite popular among nilla players that said diarouga is not exaggerating that much, between 2013-2015 most nilla players had maphack and especially if you are playing a random teamgame it's like %95 time your fb would get cmd or some random raid where you lose a lot of vills and stuffs, events like that would happen often, oos was quite common aswell especially in 3v3s.

[Riotcoke]

Did Irish actually maphack, i thought it was just suspected right?