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Ashvin wrote:Interesting. That's assuming he pulls every vill in the TC the moment your cav steps in his base. Some good players (for me that's 1lt+) only pull the vills closer to cav while keeping other vills on field.

Do you think to make it more effective, we should split cav almost everytime, despite the fact that it makes killing vills a bit but slower and body blocks less?

ovi12 wrote:I've wanted to do these calculations for many months. I've finally done it, and reached the conclusion that just becased on the resources, it's very good to waste your cav to TC fire to idle vills.

A 10 vill TC kills a huss in 5 hits, and it shoots every 3 seconds, so it takes 15 seconds to kill a huss. Assuming vills gather 1 res/second, those vills couild have gathered 150 resources, while a huss is worth 200 resources. The break-even point would be with about 13 vills in TC.

So under these conditions you lose 50 resources. However, this is a highly idealistic situation. Many times you will idle way more vills, especially if the other guy has more units. Plus, there is the walking time to and from TC, vills bumping into each other, etc. So I think it's very very good to waste your cav to TC fire based on these nubers, unless you think strategically it's better not to.

Hazza54321 wrote:id just go in an out so they have to use apm poping vills in and out of tc and they most likely only get 1 shot if u poke, sometimes zero and they garrisoned for nothing, jsut keep poking in an out of tc range

momuuu wrote:In my experience, whenever a civ has no units at all it's good to just 'waste' your cav idling them. For example if some civ decided to naked FF or is doing some very greedy BO, it is absolutely worthwhile to just park your units under their TC.

Gendarme wrote:

momuuu wrote:In my experience, whenever a civ has no units at all it's good to just 'waste' your cav idling them. For example if some civ decided to naked FF or is doing some very greedy BO, it is absolutely worthwhile to just park your units under their TC.

If they have crates under their TC, sure. But why would it otherwise be a good idea?

macacoalbino wrote:One thing people dont always take into consideration is the value of having the threat of raids. Its not the scenario the Op posted but still. Think german vs india, if you can keep the free uhlans alive while just making them pop vills in and out is better than staying under the tc fire usually. By retreating everytime they react, you’ll eventually come in at a point they are not paying attention and may kill villagers for free like that.

Aron Nimzowitsch wrote:The threat is stronger than the execution

ovi12 wrote:

macacoalbino wrote:One thing people dont always take into consideration is the value of having the threat of raids. Its not the scenario the Op posted but still. Think german vs india, if you can keep the free uhlans alive while just making them pop vills in and out is better than staying under the tc fire usually. By retreating everytime they react, you’ll eventually come in at a point they are not paying attention and may kill villagers for free like that.

I think this is right as well. But in a situation like a Dutch mirror, if you got a good trade and have 5 cav vs 0 while you are both aging, I would just leave them at the TC. This way you know for sure you will gather many more resources and be ahead in skirm/ryuter count. Yes there other things which could maybe pay off even more, for example if keep going in and out and have them until fortress. But then there is a risk of just losing them for free to some point. I would go with the guaranteed option of just circling their TC with cav.