Is Age of Empires 3 definitive Edition dead or doomed to fail?

[bobabu]

After Age of Empires 1 definitive edition did so poorly, I wonder if they still plan to release Age of Empires 3 definitive edition.

[lemmings121]

afaik, the game didnt "do poorly", imo they didnt even try to deliver a full game, just a cash grap for nostalgia. when you set to make a rts game with no recs, bugged AI, and no matchmaking, imo thats not even trying to make a rts game.

[EAGLEMUT]

After Age of Empires 1 definitive edition did so poorly, I wonder if they still plan to release Age of Empires 3 definitive edition.

Afaik they keep confirming on weekly streams that the DEs are still in the works. Even further, that both AoE2:DE and AoE3:DE are being developed at the same time: https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/age-o ... ve/35285/7

[Interjection]

I think it's worth looking at who they were making the games for:

Age 1: Almost no one plays this competitively so there was significantly less need for competitive features such as matchmaking and recs. I agree they should probably have been included anyway but the point is the only people who were likely to pick the game up were those looking for an afternoon of nostalgia.

AOC: For sure the most competitive Age of Empires. I think we can expect all the bells and whistles here. This surely has to do everything Voobly already does and more, right? Otherwise who's gonna play this in the long term. I think it's safe to assume Forgotten Empires are deving this since they did AOE1DE. And AOE2 is obviously their particular interest as a company - it's where it all started for them. Given how big their events are (https://www.ageofempires.com/tournaments/) I think Microsoft would be daft to miss such a big e-sports opportunity.

AOE3: It's worth pointing out there's 4 people working at forgotten empires who did some pretty huge AOE3 projects (WoL, NE, Unhardcode project, more). So there is enthusiasm for the game on their team. If what @EAGLEMUT says is true though (AOE2 & AOE3 are being deved at the same time), it's unlikely they'll be deving AOE3 as they'll be busy with AOE2. Makes me wonder who they'll contract to work on AOE3 - should be fine as long as they liaise with the community. Personally, I think we'll end up with all the features AOE3 currently has but improved. What I'm really hoping for is for them to implement stuff that will actually improve the game, good maps, balance patch we can keep contributing to like we already do, native obs mode, new higher resolution models.

Let's cross our fingers.

[edeholland]

From what I've heard FE isn't working on AoE3:DE, but on AoE2:DE, so another team/company/group is working on AoE3:DE, but it is being worked on.

I haven't always checked out the weekly stream on https://mixer.com/AgeofEmpires but that might be worth watching as well if you want AoE development updates.

[SoldieR]

I've recently been getting discouraged, seeing how aom:ee is, and the way the did everything for that. I got on it when it came out and it felt like a browser game. The multiplayer ui was extremely bland, basic, and ugly layout. It didn't even say how many online users, simple things. I hate to say it, but looking at all the recent "remakes", they are basically just lighting effects added to make things look shiny, and lag increased. I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

The best thing they can do is implement the work and ideas that our community is willing to provide.

[lemmings121]

I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

I'm expecting that they just deliver the exact same game that we have today, bugs included, and just make a high res texture pack and suport for 4k (wow, such 4k! modern game! everyone plays in 4k today!)

[Interjection]

Don't worry @SoldieR Microsoft fired Skybox

[momuuu]

Official patch and maps are EP, power over new patches given to ESOC, cheats fixed, a non bugged out online environment, all cards and age up politicians instantly unlocked from the start and then hopefully some extra players that try the game, and I think to us it should be a huge succes. We judge the other remakes as remakes of games that we don't love as much. Those are rarely worth their price. However, we would greatly appreciate a bunch of those small extras for aoe3, such as no cheaters anymore or better maps.

[fightinfrenchman]

I guess the answer was "doomed to fail" after all

[chris1089]

I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

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[lemmings121]

I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

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[aaryngend]

I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

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You guys have no patience. They said multiple times that they will improve the UI as time passes based on feedback.

[SoldieR]

Not sure if that is sarcastic, but I've been giving feedback for about 9 months and the only ui improvements were adding the damn popout arrow for garrison by default and the enlarged homecity deck button.

[lordraphael]

not to mention the horrible grid system for hotkeys. You cant implement a grid system like that. because aoe 3 has no building menu like sc2 and aoe 2. How come you didnt mention that in beta etc ? or is there a way to adjust hotkeys ?

[Challenger_Marco]

not to mention the horrible grid system for hotkeys. You cant implement a grid system like that. because aoe 3 has no building menu like sc2 and aoe 2. How come you didnt mention that in beta etc ? or is there a way to adjust hotkeys ?

Yeah there is in options where you can use legacy.

[lordraphael]

not to mention the horrible grid system for hotkeys. You cant implement a grid system like that. because aoe 3 has no building menu like sc2 and aoe 2. How come you didnt mention that in beta etc ? or is there a way to adjust hotkeys ?

Yeah there is in options where you can use legacy.

then i can use adjust every hotkey manually ? Besides aoe 3 legacy sucks aswell, they could have implemented building menus like in sc2 etc. It makes it so much more accesible

[Mr_Bramboy]

not to mention the horrible grid system for hotkeys. You cant implement a grid system like that. because aoe 3 has no building menu like sc2 and aoe 2. How come you didnt mention that in beta etc ? or is there a way to adjust hotkeys ?

I brought this up during the beta. I think it was taken into consideration at least. The problem I had was that certain unique buildings (or the lack thereof) pushed the icons away leading to one building having multiple hotkeys in the grid system. This could have been resolved by locking the buildings in a grid position, but I don't think this was done. I haven't tried the grid system since the betas.

[Jotunir]

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I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

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You guys have no patience. They said multiple times that they will improve the UI as time passes based on feedback.

So we can all play it happily when we are retired

[fightinfrenchman]

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I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

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You guys have no patience. They said multiple times that they will improve the UI as time passes based on feedback.

The game was announced over 3 years ago and has been officially out for weeks

[aaryngend]

Not sure if that is sarcastic, but I've been giving feedback for about 9 months and the only ui improvements were adding the damn popout arrow for garrison by default and the enlarged homecity deck button.

You forget that there is something called priority. It was clear that they don't give a fuck about the UI before/during launch and shortly after it. Things like this are usually implemented months after release.
If you pick the right settings, the UI is more than fine right now. There are just a boatload of other issues which need attention first.

[fightinfrenchman]

Not sure if that is sarcastic, but I've been giving feedback for about 9 months and the only ui improvements were adding the damn popout arrow for garrison by default and the enlarged homecity deck button.

You forget that there is something called priority. It was clear that they don't give a fuck about the UI before/during launch and shortly after it. Things like this are usually implemented months after release.
If you pick the right settings, the UI is more than fine right now. There are just a boatload of other issues which need attention first.

The "boatload of other issues" in the officially released product are one reason I have no desire to be patient

[Jotunir]

The massive memory leak and subsequent loss of data has to do with incompetent software developers. Programming errors can lead to memory conflicts and, without virtual memory, an application can accidentally write data outside its own memory space, causing problems with other programs. I believe this is what happened with AOE3 DE...
By the way, this is not easily fixed at all.

I hate to quote myself, but I had to. Enjoy

[Kaiserklein]

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I would be surprised if we get something better than what our community here can/could make.

No way they will make a obs ui as good as Aiz's one, the bit of hope I had for aoe3de vanished after aoe1de.

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You guys have no patience. They said multiple times that they will improve the UI as time passes based on feedback.

Yeah sorry we are a bit impatient to play a game which doesn't burn down your computer and registers your clicks

[Colonel0tto]

The grid system works absolutely fine honestly and makes a lot of logical sense. I haven't looked back since I switched. And you can still use legacy hotkeys, so I don"understand this complaint.