ESOC Patch v5 Post-tournament Balance Poll
ESOC Patch v5 Post-tournament Balance Poll
It's high time for the post-tournament balance-poll. Your input is appreciated!
https://goo.gl/forms/z5dG6WHE7SN6z8pB3
https://goo.gl/forms/z5dG6WHE7SN6z8pB3
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The patch is too nr20
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I'll make the responses available as soon as I'm able to.
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Hazza54321 wrote:The patch is too nr20
Yeah it needs to be more like nr40
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Thank you to everyone who voted, so far. Proper results (thanks to Goodspeed):
https://tinyurl.com/ycjqjrso
Full pre-tournament poll results:
https://tinyurl.com/yc5kex26
https://tinyurl.com/ycjqjrso
Full pre-tournament poll results:
https://tinyurl.com/yc5kex26
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@zoom bottom link prompts users to request permission to access
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I wonder how can you take advantage of these polls when they are just a popularity contest....
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Pretty good to know which civ is popular.
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They're an indication.Garja wrote:I wonder how can you take advantage of these polls when they are just a popularity contest....
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But how many percent of respondents are actually high level?
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I don't, because they're only a popularity contest to an extent. I actually think them helpful indicators.Garja wrote:I wonder how can you take advantage of these polls when they are just a popularity contest....
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somppukunkku wrote:But how many percent of respondents are actually high level?
Tbh the average level of the community is higher than the level of the one guy who makes the EP changes...
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Well the results are clearly a bit wrong for some civs, but it gives an overall trend I guess. I'm mostly shocked about how low people still rate iro
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The "difference from previous poll" trend is a good indicator as well. It's very likely that if there is a significant trend there, it would continue in the next poll. From that you can somewhat reliably conclude which civs are under- or overrated.
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Opinions on balance right now are based on feelings. The balance is pretty good to the point where I dont think there are many (if any) people that can give a somewhat objective opinion.
The way people judge these civs is too flawed anyways. They dont objectively consider overall winrate but rather judge civs based on their performance in the tournament meta. Which means that a civ with little hard counters (= good first pick) will be overrated, aswell as civs that counter popular civs. Also, civs that perform well on non meta tournament maps, like india on low res/livestock/water maps or ports on water maps will be overrated.
The way people judge these civs is too flawed anyways. They dont objectively consider overall winrate but rather judge civs based on their performance in the tournament meta. Which means that a civ with little hard counters (= good first pick) will be overrated, aswell as civs that counter popular civs. Also, civs that perform well on non meta tournament maps, like india on low res/livestock/water maps or ports on water maps will be overrated.
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momuuu wrote:Opinions on balance right now are based on feelings. The balance is pretty good to the point where I dont think there are many (if any) people that can give a somewhat objective opinion.
The way people judge these civs is too flawed anyways. They dont objectively consider overall winrate but rather judge civs based on their performance in the tournament meta. Which means that a civ with little hard counters (= good first pick) will be overrated, aswell as civs that counter popular civs. Also, civs that perform well on non meta tournament maps, like india on low res/livestock/water maps or ports on water maps will be overrated.
We don't want a civ to be imba on a kind of map, even though it's balanced on another kind of map.
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Theres no way to balance for all sorts of maps anyways. Its still disrupting the results either way.
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zoom wrote:I don't, because they're only a popularity contest to an extent. I actually think them helpful indicators.Garja wrote:I wonder how can you take advantage of these polls when they are just a popularity contest....
Ye, such as voting India higher now with 80w houses than with 60w.
It's largely based on perception and perception is affected by popularity. Popularity isn't a good criteria to base balance on.
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Well it's more people took time to realize how OP india is. The pool still obviously shows we want a nerf to india.
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bwinner1 wrote:Well it's more people took time to realize how OP india is. The pool still obviously shows we want a nerf to india.
India is overrated.
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In accordance with my previous reply, I absolutely agree. It's a matter of avoiding bias and applying judgement.Garja wrote:zoom wrote:I don't, because they're only a popularity contest to an extent. I actually think them helpful indicators.Garja wrote:I wonder how can you take advantage of these polls when they are just a popularity contest....
Ye, such as voting India higher now with 80w houses than with 60w.
It's largely based on perception and perception is affected by popularity. Popularity isn't a good criteria to base balance on.
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i think sioux and fre are underated tbh and otto and port overated
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Make Xbow stronger
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