United States of America byrdcall
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03 Feb 2019, 05:13

Is Alt D a cheat or not?
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03 Feb 2019, 05:15

it's not.
United States of America byrdcall
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03 Feb 2019, 05:20

so say im spain or china or something, i can just keep popping him up and make units. Or pop him up when i need to make a tp.
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03 Feb 2019, 05:22

It's a great thing for you to do
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03 Feb 2019, 05:25

byrdcall wrote:so say im spain or china or something, i can just keep popping him up and make units. Or pop him up when i need to make a tp.


I literally had a spain player do this today its so annoying. Had to trade monop to finally end his running dogs explorers and fishing ships around

Kinda ruins the game imo. I wouldnt call it a cheat but its unsportsmanlike
SirCallen wrote:Also assume hypothetically that you can left click and shift click and that TPs aren't black holes and the game won't delete your C: drive.
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03 Feb 2019, 08:12

It's totally legit.
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03 Feb 2019, 08:29

Lol
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03 Feb 2019, 08:53

These people are trolling you. It's seen as a cheat in the competitive spirit of the game and using it in a tournament setting will get you banned.
United States of America byrdcall
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03 Feb 2019, 15:52

Its a legit question because Im playing people who are constantly doing it in team and 1v1 games. Then when I call them out on it because I thought it was a cheat as well they say its "built into the game" or something like that. Idk if they genuinely feel like its not cheating or there just trolling me with answers, like most aoe3 players seem to do...
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Tuvalu gibson
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03 Feb 2019, 16:07

Is it cheating in the same sense as using the moesbar ui is cheating? No. Is it blatant bug abuse( which in a competitive environment is generally considered cheating) and bad sportsmanship? For sure.
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03 Feb 2019, 16:51

It’s cheating.
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03 Feb 2019, 17:08

Yeah just don't play with people who use it
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03 Feb 2019, 19:50

It's cheating. Not even a question.
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Seychelles SirCallen
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03 Feb 2019, 19:53

It's not a cheat.
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03 Feb 2019, 21:36

It is considered to be a cheat, although it is debatable. Or at least, it should be debatable but unfortunately isn't in this community.
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03 Feb 2019, 21:46

It was debatable, it has been debated a lot. But it has become obvious that it should be considered a cheat so it's not debatable anymore. Why would we keep discussing that lol
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Playing Aztec is a 10% handicap
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
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03 Feb 2019, 21:54

momuuu wrote:It is considered to be a cheat, although it is debatable. Or at least, it should be debatable but unfortunately isn't in this community.
How is it not debatable? Is it because the vast majority of players agree it's a cheat? That doesn't stop anyone from debating it; it just makes them look more or less silly. It's very much a matter of opinion. Fact, on the other hand, is that it's a balance-breaking bug.
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03 Feb 2019, 21:56

zoom wrote:
momuuu wrote:It is considered to be a cheat, although it is debatable. Or at least, it should be debatable but unfortunately isn't in this community.
How is it not debatable? Is it because the vast majority of players agree it's a cheat? That doesn't stop anyone from debating it; it just makes them look more or less silly. It's very much a matter of opinion. Fact, on the other hand, is that it's a balance-breaking bug.

How the fuck is it a balance-breaking bug?

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03 Feb 2019, 22:02

some explorers are worth much more than others
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03 Feb 2019, 22:03

momuuu wrote:
zoom wrote:
momuuu wrote:It is considered to be a cheat, although it is debatable. Or at least, it should be debatable but unfortunately isn't in this community.
How is it not debatable? Is it because the vast majority of players agree it's a cheat? That doesn't stop anyone from debating it; it just makes them look more or less silly. It's very much a matter of opinion. Fact, on the other hand, is that it's a balance-breaking bug.

How the fuck is it a balance-breaking bug?

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you're the one talking about the bug being not debatable tho bud. how does that make esoc closeminded lol
Netherlands momuuu
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03 Feb 2019, 22:22

a) A bug is not per definition a cheat. This is actually a fact, if you care to look it up.
b) Saying that "alt-d breaks balance is a fact" is beyond ridiculous. It affects balance, but it doesn't break it in any regard. Even the argument that some civs have better explorers is pure nonsense, because those explorers also give extra xp.
c) Whenever you mention that alt-d shouldn't necessarily be considered a cheat, there are somehow a bunch of people that will claim, with no good arguments, that it's silly to say such a thing.

I just don't know what to say anymore. People need to revisit logic school.
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03 Feb 2019, 22:23

Cometk wrote:some explorers are worth much more than others


^this

I dont know how often alt-d would actually completely change a particular game, they revive with no los no hp and generally it is done by people who are losing anyway. I think its just extremely unsportsmanlike but calling it cheating is a stretch imo. It is technically part of the game as annoying as it is. And i agree with it being banned in tournaments
SirCallen wrote:Also assume hypothetically that you can left click and shift click and that TPs aren't black holes and the game won't delete your C: drive.
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03 Feb 2019, 22:27

dansil92 wrote:
Cometk wrote:some explorers are worth much more than others


^this

I dont know how often alt-d would actually completely change a particular game, they revive with no los no hp and generally it is done by people who are losing anyway. I think its just extremely unsportsmanlike but calling it cheating is a stretch imo. It is technically part of the game as annoying as it is. And i agree with it being banned in tournaments

Why is it "extremely unsportsmanlike" when there's no clear ruling on whether or not it is allowed? It's a gray area by all gaming standards and there is no explicit agreement in non tournament games that alt-d is cheating. Someone might not even consider it a cheat, so him using it wouldn't at all be unsportsmanlike.
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Tuvalu gibson
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03 Feb 2019, 23:01

What people here don't seem to get is that cheating isnt so black and white.....
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03 Feb 2019, 23:04

1. unpausing an afk opponent is not cheating if you've already won the game and i was up 20 score
2. i don't cheat, i just pay people to smurf on my account, how can i cheat if i'm not even the one playing?!!
3. ok i did cheat once when i sent crates on stream, im so sorry
4. long live alt + d
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