Smackdown #7 Normal Supremacy

User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Smackdown #7 Normal Supremacy

  • Quote

Post by Interjection »

EDIT:

Smackdown 7 will air at 16:00 GMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALr8pqx-hU


________________________________

To vote on future Smackdowns formats, join my Discord and add thumbs up/down emoji to the options in the #vote-on-smackdowns-here channel: https://discord.gg/4swTHVY. Currently 'Who's the best coach' is leading by a landslide so has been scheduled! However, it's still pretty close between the next few. The vote will end pretty soon and the top results will be taken to the Patrons to decide the format for Smackdown 8.

CURRENT STANDINGS:
1st - Who's the best coach? - Two medium level players play normal supremacy but each are in voice chat with a top level player advising their every move [is scheduled] (43 votes)
2nd - Districts: Players start with two 2 TCs (29 votes)
3rd - An Interesting Fort: Players start with a fort wagon that can be placed in age 1 (26 votes)
4th - Free Mills and Plantations: Mills, plantations, farms & rice paddies cost no resources (with a build limit of 10) (25 votes)
5th - Settler Deficit: Villagers cannot be trained! You start with 30/40/50 (numbers tbd) (21 votes)
_______________________________

Looking to record Smackdown 7 before Sunday (obviously :hehe: )

This will be normal supremacy but with updated politicians (played on Smackdown patch - see below)

FORMAT:
Gamemode: Ordinary Supremacy, played on Smackdown Patch (new/adjusted Fortress Age politicians)
Patch: Smackdown Patch (available in the EP launcher 'tools')
Series: Best of 7 (first to four victories)
Civ Rules: Players will be able to use all 14 civs but cannot use civs they have already won a game with.

MAP POOL

Players will veto 1 map each from the pool below. (Whisper me your vetos on the day)

Map 1: Summer Kamchatka
Map 2: Baja California
Map 3: Deccan
Map 4: Thar Desert
Map 5: Fixed New England
Map 6: High Plains
Map 7: Pampas Sierras
Map 8: Fertile Cresent
Map 9: Florida
User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Interjection »

SMACKDOWN PATCH - ADJUSTED FORTRESS POLITICIANS:

Colonial Age Politician Changes:
*Existing Colonial Age Politician adjustments: https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=16071

New Adjusted Euro Fortress Age Politician Changes:
*General changes: 'Slow age' times changed to 100s (down from 110s)
*The Exiled Prince: 'Fast' Age' up time changed to 50s (up from 40s)
*Mohawk Statesman: Grants 7 Native Iroquois Tomahawks (changed from 3 manlets & 2 native scouts or something)
*The Gentlemen Pirate: Grants 1 privateer & 3 barbary corsairs (changed from 1 privateer & 2 barbary corsairs)
*The Admiral of the Ocean Sea: Grants 1 caravel & 400w (no changes)
*The Adventurer: Grants 7 longbowmen / 6 halbs / 17 strelets / 9 xbows (changed from: 7 longbowmen / 5 halbs / 17 strelets / 8 xbows)
*The Sergeant at Arms: Grants 4 doppelsoldners / 8 pikes (changed from 3 doppelsoldners / 8 pikes)
*The Marksman: Grants 6 skirms / 4 abus / 6 cassadores (no changes)
*The Scout: Grants 4 hussars / 5 cossacks (no changes)
User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Interjection »

Thought it would be easier to post these for the TWC
Attachments
Sioux.png
Iro.png
aztec.png
User avatar
Germany Makrokosmos12
Skirmisher
Posts: 199
Joined: Aug 17, 2016
ESO: Templer12

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

  • Quote

Post by Makrokosmos12 »

A good move in the right direction for slow age up politicians. I really think the new politicians should be implenented in the EP.
User avatar
Canada dansil92
Retired Contributor
Posts: 2232
Joined: Nov 3, 2018
ESO: dansil92

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by dansil92 »

Ooh native tomos for the politicians. Those things are so abuseable lol

Looking forward to the smackdown as always! Would you ever consider having a smackdown for lower level players? Eg. Pr20-24?
Image
User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Interjection »

Yeah, they're the ones you'd normally get from a treasure with a ranged melee damage. And they take up 0 pop
France Kaiserklein
Pro Player
Posts: 10282
Joined: Jun 6, 2015
Location: Paris
GameRanger ID: 5529322

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Kaiserklein »

dansil92 wrote:Ooh native tomos for the politicians. Those things are so abuseable lol

Why? They're quite bad
Image
Image
Image
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
User avatar
France bwinner
Howdah
Donator 01
Posts: 1292
Joined: Mar 14, 2016
ESO: bwinner

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by bwinner »

4 abus seems a bit low to me compared to other military shipments. it's 900vs compared to 1100vs for 4 huss for instance or 1000vs for 6 skirm which are auto upgraded. 5 abus would be much closer to 4 huss in terms of vs, why not implementing that ?
Image
Australia Hazza54321
Pro Player
Winter Champion 2020 x2Donator 01
Posts: 8050
Joined: May 4, 2015
ESO: PrinceofBabu

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Hazza54321 »

5 abus seems way too strong thou, abus are worth more than their cost anyway
User avatar
Canada dansil92
Retired Contributor
Posts: 2232
Joined: Nov 3, 2018
ESO: dansil92

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by dansil92 »

Kaiserklein wrote:
dansil92 wrote:Ooh native tomos for the politicians. Those things are so abuseable lol

Why? They're quite bad


Meelee at range means they do far better against skirms and even artillery than they should. They arent fantastic but for 0 pop i wouldnt complain
Image
User avatar
Netherlands edeholland
ESOC Community Team
Donator 01
Posts: 5033
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: edeholland
GameRanger ID: 4053888
Clan: ESOC

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by edeholland »

[spoiler=Changed age 2 politicians]The Governor: outpost wagon + 200 gold
The Quartermaster: 400 wood
The Naturalist: 3 villagers + 4 cows
The Bishop: free shipment
The Philosopher Prince: age costs 700f, receive 400f when aged






























































CivThe GovernorThe QuartermasterThe NaturalistThe BishopThe Philosopher Prince
BritsYesNoYesYesYes
DutchYesYesYesNoYes
FrenchYesYesYesNoYes
GermanNoYesYes, 1 settler wagon and 1 vill instead of 3 villsYesYes
PortugeseNoYesYesYesYes
RussiaNoYesYesYesYes
OttomanYesYesYesNoYes
SpanishYesNoYesYesYes
[/spoiler]

General: age-up time reduced from 110 to 100 seconds (for all politicians except The Exiled Prince).
















































































Civs The Admiral of the Ocean Sea The Adventurer The Exiled Prince The Gentleman Pirate The Marksman The Mohawk Statesman The Scout The Sergeant at Arms
Brits Caravel + 400w 7 longbowmen Privateer + 3 barbary corsairs 7 Native Iroquois Tomahawks
Dutch Caravel + 400w Age up time reduced to 50s Privateer + 3 barbary corsairs 6 halberdiers
French Age up time reduced to 50s 6 skirmishers 7 Native Iroquois Tomahawks 4 hussars
Germany Age up time reduced to 50s Privateer + 3 barbary corsairs 6 skirmishers 4 doppelsoldners
Portugese Caravel + 400w Age up time reduced to 50s 6 cassadors 7 Native Iroquois Tomahawks
Russia 17 strelets Age up time reduced to 50s Privateer + 3 barbary corsairs 5 cossacks
Ottoman Caravel + 400w Age up time reduced to 50s 4 abus guns 4 hussars
Spanish Caravel + 400w 9 crossbowmen 4 hussars 8 pikemen
User avatar
Netherlands edeholland
ESOC Community Team
Donator 01
Posts: 5033
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: edeholland
GameRanger ID: 4053888
Clan: ESOC

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by edeholland »

Made a table to easily compare politicians. Are you sure the 6 halbs for Dutch is The Adventurer and not The Sergeant at Arms? Currently can't check the game.
France Kaiserklein
Pro Player
Posts: 10282
Joined: Jun 6, 2015
Location: Paris
GameRanger ID: 5529322

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Kaiserklein »

dansil92 wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:
dansil92 wrote:Ooh native tomos for the politicians. Those things are so abuseable lol

Why? They're quite bad


Meelee at range means they do far better against skirms and even artillery than they should. They arent fantastic but for 0 pop i wouldnt complain

They have 8 range man, they shouldn't really be able to snipe artillery. And yeah they do melee damage but only 16 attack is mediocre so that doesn't really matter.
Image
Image
Image
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Interjection »

:flowers:
Attachments
dutch.png
User avatar
France bwinner
Howdah
Donator 01
Posts: 1292
Joined: Mar 14, 2016
ESO: bwinner

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by bwinner »

Hazza54321 wrote:5 abus seems way too strong thou, abus are worth more than their cost anyway

I disagree. 4 abus is pretty shitty compared to 4 huss. I only use it when I know I need to defend vs musk or smg. Don't forget it's unit you will often never upgrade+I don't think they are worth more than their cost
Image
User avatar
New Zealand zoom
Gendarme
Posts: 9314
Joined: Apr 26, 2015
ESO: Funnu
Location: New_Sweland

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by zoom »

British and Spanish on top, TAD-civilizations on bottom. This is EP6 all over again.
User avatar
Canada dansil92
Retired Contributor
Posts: 2232
Joined: Nov 3, 2018
ESO: dansil92

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by dansil92 »

Kaiserklein wrote:
dansil92 wrote:
Show hidden quotes


Meelee at range means they do far better against skirms and even artillery than they should. They arent fantastic but for 0 pop i wouldnt complain

They have 8 range man, they shouldn't really be able to snipe artillery. And yeah they do melee damage but only 16 attack is mediocre so that doesn't really matter.


No but if someone does a falc timing when you age, 7 tomos do more than half damage on a falc in 1 throw,. Once again they aren't great but i could see them being a lot more useful than the mantlets lol
Image
France Kaiserklein
Pro Player
Posts: 10282
Joined: Jun 6, 2015
Location: Paris
GameRanger ID: 5529322

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Kaiserklein »

Yea I just wouldn't call them "abusable". Rather "half-decent in a few specific cases". Better than mantlets for sure but these were never used
Image
Image
Image
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
User avatar
Canada Mitoe
Advanced Theory Craftsman
Posts: 5488
Joined: Aug 23, 2015
ESO: Mitoe
GameRanger ID: 346407

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Mitoe »

Tomahawks are basically just pikemen with a bit of range. This makes them a bit more versatile. Seems alright.
France Kaiserklein
Pro Player
Posts: 10282
Joined: Jun 6, 2015
Location: Paris
GameRanger ID: 5529322

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by Kaiserklein »

They deal 16 damage in melee though, while a pike deals 40. And they don't siege, and don't have cover mode I guess. And they're more expensive
Only thing is they have a multiplier vs cav at range
Image
Image
Image
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
Great Britain ListlessSalmon
Skirmisher
Posts: 112
Joined: Jan 23, 2017
ESO: ListlessSalmon

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by ListlessSalmon »

Cool to see normal supremacy this time, that's much more interesting to me personally.

Also still seems a shame to me to have it on the interjection patch (a third separate form of age of empires 3) rather than on EP like other events. But obviously its interjections project and hes put the time and effort into so he can do what he wants with it. Its still clearly better than no event at all so I am looking forward to it.
User avatar
Netherlands edeholland
ESOC Community Team
Donator 01
Posts: 5033
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: edeholland
GameRanger ID: 4053888
Clan: ESOC

Re: Smackdown #6 Normal Supremacy

Post by edeholland »

Interjection wrote::flowers:

Thanks, you probably want to edit OP as well :flowers:
User avatar
Great Britain Interjection
Howdah
Donator 04
Posts: 1045
Joined: Mar 15, 2015
ESO: Interjection
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Smackdown #7 Normal Supremacy

Post by Interjection »

BUMP

Looking to schedule this match soon. I'm free tonight and all day Saturday to cast
User avatar
Canada Mitoe
Advanced Theory Craftsman
Posts: 5488
Joined: Aug 23, 2015
ESO: Mitoe
GameRanger ID: 346407

Re: Smackdown #7 Normal Supremacy

  • Quote

Post by Mitoe »

How come no one ever seems very interested in playing these? Are people even aware there's a $50 prize for the winner of each smackdown?
No Flag deleted_user
Ninja
Posts: 14364
Joined: Mar 26, 2015

Re: Smackdown #7 Normal Supremacy

Post by deleted_user »

Me vs dongtay

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests

Which top 10 players do you wish to see listed?

All-time

Active last two weeks

Active last month

Supremacy

Treaty

Official

ESOC Patch

Treaty Patch

1v1 Elo

2v2 Elo

3v3 Elo

Power Rating

Which streams do you wish to see listed?

Twitch

Age of Empires III

Age of Empires IV