Should the selection limit be removed?

Should the selection limit be removed?

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Should the selection limit be removed?

Post by edeholland »

Hey all,

Currently, Age of Empires 3 has a selection limit of 50 units. Let's assume that EP (or Microsoft or someone else) could remove that limit, do you think that should be done?

Does the selection limit provide a strategic element to the game, or is it a dumb and arbitrary limitation? Would like to hear your thoughts.

Once again, this is not polled for the ESOC Patch but out of interest.
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Re: Should the selection limit be removed?

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It is probably too big to really matter, but if you increased it who knows how broken formations would become.
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No I don't think you should touch fundamental things like this. The selection limit actually puts a boundary on the pull-trick, otherwise you'd be able to pull 40 skirms with 45 ruyter for example.
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I'll just let the god speak through me:
Garja wrote:the limit of 50 units isn't even a resource limit but rather a gameplay limit and it is good that way. Same thing for the 200/200 pop thing.
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Re: Should the selection limit be removed?

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EAGLEMUT wrote:I'll just let the god speak through me:
Garja wrote:the limit of 50 units isn't even a resource limit but rather a gameplay limit and it is good that way. Same thing for the 200/200 pop thing.
It's not really explaining why it's good for the gameplay. Why is 50 a good number and not 20 or 80?
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Post by EAGLEMUT »

At this point, everyone is used to the number being 50, so you'd need a very good reason to change it, even if you were to somehow conclude 45 is slightly superior.
As to why not remove it entirely, the reason I heard of was discouraging one-unit compositions, which is healthy for the gameplay. Basically if you have over 50 units you will have a better time managing them when they're different kinds of units.
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One of the things I don't like about this game. I always end up having like 55 units but have to put the other 5 in a group as well. Aoeo didn't have that and it felt good.
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Where is the "I don't care" option?
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Can you imagine a group of 80 units? The pathing? I think 50 is enough.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Where is the "I don't care" option?

That's that big red X on the top right.
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Dont change anything please just leave as it.
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No reason to keep a limit which is annoying since 2005 and does not really exist in most games. As long as formation-building would not bug, I think it is an awesome idea. The "you have 4 skirms too many for this control group" is just cancer.

The same with maps with larger pop limits. I would like to see a concept map with 250 or 300 pop.
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Re: Should the selection limit be removed?

Post by purplesquid »

The main time this is annoying is when I play Russia and am spamming strellets. I can have 50 Gendarmes in a control group but not 51 strellets? It is very easy as russia to go over this limit.

I would be interested in seeing it pop based at say 80ish population
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lower the limit to 12 like starcraft pls
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More than 50, make 2 groups.
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Being able to use multiple control group is a skill, I don't see the problem with that. Removing the selection limit would just make the game even easier. Tbh having more than 50 units with one same group sounds awful anyway, even with 40-50 units we should probs split into 2 control groups just to get better pathing, just no one doing that cause lazy
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the "all military to rally point" hotkey is the solution to people mad that their 5 strelets get left out, just make sure it doesnt pull your nat scout away from his hiding spot
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*find idle military* is a far superior key. 50 limit is fine
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Re: Should the selection limit be removed?

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Dolphincup wrote:lower the limit to 12 like starcraft pls
I agree if anything it should be lowered.
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Do we really need these mods? or is it just a thing mods do for killing time?
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Re: Should the selection limit be removed?

Post by zoom »

As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with strategy. It's a matter of mechanics. This is the sort of thing popularity shouldn't decide, unless there is near consensus.

Interesting question, though.
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yes, I need a bigger dragbox.
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Imperial Noob wrote:No reason to keep a limit which is annoying since 2005 and does not really exist in most games. As long as formation-building would not bug, I think it is an awesome idea. The "you have 4 skirms too many for this control group" is just cancer.

The same with maps with larger pop limits. I would like to see a concept map with 250 or 300 pop.


You obviously dont understand that 4 idle skirms measn 4x mini raids.
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U should use find idle military and u fine
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I say remove the limit. I would like to increase the size of my dog soldier boxes
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