[Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

Poll ended at 27 May 2019, 04:59

Yes
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No
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Total votes: 53

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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:You think otto is overused? I don't see many people playing it

The reason why people don't spam it is because they play for fun.


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BrookG wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Honestly if we're gonna do an "underused civs" tournament we should ban more than 5. Russia IS overused, everyone plays it both in tourney and outside of it. But everyone also spams japan tbh, and dutch too I'd say.
For me underused civs are otto/ports/spain/aztecs/sioux/iro, and I guess china to some extent.

P.S: russia was also a top pick on baja guys...

*2nd after Otto
Most underused are Iroquois, Spanish, Portuguese, Aztecs, Chinese and Sioux. All much below average picks. Otto are close to Sioux, a bit above all previous

You're only referring to tourney picks I guess. Keep in mind people watch lots of casual streams too.
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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Kaiserklein wrote:
BrookG wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Honestly if we're gonna do an "underused civs" tournament we should ban more than 5. Russia IS overused, everyone plays it both in tourney and outside of it. But everyone also spams japan tbh, and dutch too I'd say.
For me underused civs are otto/ports/spain/aztecs/sioux/iro, and I guess china to some extent.

P.S: russia was also a top pick on baja guys...

*2nd after Otto
Most underused are Iroquois, Spanish, Portuguese, Aztecs, Chinese and Sioux. All much below average picks. Otto are close to Sioux, a bit above all previous

You're only referring to tourney picks I guess. Keep in mind people watch lots of casual streams too.

yes, I am. I don't know if esoc elo ladders collect such data
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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We don't really need data, it's obvious that dutch and japan are really not underused. If they're part of this tourney we're probably gonna see them every single series.
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Kaiserklein wrote:We don't really need data, it's obvious that dutch and japan are really not underused. If they're part of this tourney we're probably gonna see them every single series.

Japan is actually underused I would say.
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Nah Kaiser is correct, Japanese are somewhere in the middle, similar to Dutch
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the format should let you pick your opponents civ (they get to veto civs that cannot be picked for them). Mutual blind pick too
oranges.
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Aizamk wrote:the format should let you pick your opponents civ (they get to veto civs that cannot be picked for them). Mutual blind pick too


I suggested this a while ago for a smackdown, I think it could be fun to watch. A fun weekend tournament would be perfect for this type of civ picking.
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Warno wrote:
Aizamk wrote:the format should let you pick your opponents civ (they get to veto civs that cannot be picked for them). Mutual blind pick too


I suggested this a while ago for a smackdown, I think it could be fun to watch. A fun weekend tournament would be perfect for this type of civ picking.



Then people would just pick their opponentā€™s worst civ and weā€™d have a drop in the overall quality of games.
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Lukas_L99 wrote:
Warno wrote:
Aizamk wrote:the format should let you pick your opponents civ (they get to veto civs that cannot be picked for them). Mutual blind pick too


I suggested this a while ago for a smackdown, I think it could be fun to watch. A fun weekend tournament would be perfect for this type of civ picking.



Then people would just pick their opponentā€™s worst civ and weā€™d have a drop in the overall quality of games.

Thatā€™s why thereā€™s the self-veto so they donā€™t have to play any of their N worst civs
oranges.
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

Post by Riotcoke »

It should be restricted to the 5 lowest civs imo, civs like Japan and Dutch might be underused compared to French etc but compared to civs like port and iro they're seen far more often
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Will there be further civ restrictions or can I play otto every game and win the tourney ?
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:We don't really need data, it's obvious that dutch and japan are really not underused. If they're part of this tourney we're probably gonna see them every single series.

Japan is actually underused I would say.

No way lol. Turk and tabben spam japan. Can also add jerimuno and osmane. Mitoe, hazza and prince also play some japs. Kynesie obviously, and gib. Even soldier plays some japs atm.
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Depends how much we're taking ladder games into account. Japs do seem a bit underused in tourney. I only used them once so far, turk didn't use them for his last series, Prince not even once(?) and Mitoe/Hazza not that many times. Even GiB played an entire series without using them!
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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add it but go for another tourney format instead
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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Japan and Russia are right at the border of most used after the main 4. Both will be top civ in this tourney if not banned.
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bwinner1 wrote:Will there be further civ restrictions or can I play otto every game and win the tourney ?

It will be bo1 up until the round of 8 so yes you can play only ottos until you lose in an earlier round. Bo3 and bo5s will be Smackdown rules (nwc qualifiers rules)
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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I actually wanna change my vote from yes to no.
If we do this tournament, why not go for actually rare civs. Ban rus+japs both imo.
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Re: [Poll] Should Russia be included in the Underused Cup?

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somppukunkku wrote:I actually wanna change my vote from yes to no.
If we do this tournament, why not go for actually rare civs. Ban rus+japs both imo.

@Cometk what do you think about banning all civs scored above average?
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BrookG wrote:
somppukunkku wrote:I actually wanna change my vote from yes to no.
If we do this tournament, why not go for actually rare civs. Ban rus+japs both imo.

@Cometk what do you think about banning all civs scored above average?

Iā€™m more interested to see how the metagame settles with a few restrictions rather than a lot.
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