The Fallacy of W̶i̶n̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ Having Fun

[007Salt]

In Go it's actually considered rude not to resign a lost game. It's considered disrespectful towards your opponent, since by continuing play you are implying that you are counting on them to fuck up and throw the game, wasting their time in the process.

Is it so hard to force your opponent to throw?

How do you know when you've clearly lost?

cuz you're insulting their intelligence even if they don't have the intelligence to secure the victory

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Ye man that's exactly it

[Cometk]

I really don’t follow. If they don’t have the intelligence to secure the victory, then they deserve to lose, right?

[007Salt]

Ye man that's exactly it

Glad I finally figured it out.

[deleted_user]

The only good thing about this thread is the title.

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I really don’t follow. If they don’t have the intelligence to secure the victory, then they deserve to lose, right?

I mean they do have it of course, since they had the intelligence to get an advantage. In this scenario they wouldn't have it in that particular game, meaning they would make some game losing mistakes later on.

But they key here is that, as their opponent, you don't know this. And by continuing play, you are telling them you believe they have the capacity to fuck up and throw the game. Even if that's true, your assuming it is the insulting part.

[pecelot]

why not just win the game and prove your opponent wrong instead of caring whether his actions may or may not insult you

[Cometk]

@pecelot i just think maybe aoe and go aren’t super comparable unless you’re comparing kaiser to iamturk, in which case yes, iamturk is definitely making a fool of kaiser

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why not just win the game and prove your opponent wrong instead of caring whether his actions may or may not insult you

Who chooses what they do and don't care about?

Is this really that complicated of a concept? You guys have never been in a situation where a player wasted your time because they refused to resign? You don't think that's inconsiderate?

[Riotcoke]

why not just win the game and prove your opponent wrong instead of caring whether his actions may or may not insult you

Who chooses what they do and don't care about?

Is this really that complicated of a concept? You guys have never been in a situation where a player wasted your time because they refused to resign?

Honestly it's a massive problem if you play against a lower ranked player sometimes they just sit off the coast with off shore support and refuse to resign.

[Cometk]

why not just win the game and prove your opponent wrong instead of caring whether his actions may or may not insult you

Who chooses what they do and don't care about?

Is this really that complicated of a concept? You guys have never been in a situation where a player wasted your time because they refused to resign? You don't consider that inconsiderate?

probably not. i mean even if somebody hid spies i would feel more annoyed than insulted, and anyways the emotion wouldn’t last very long after the game. if it was someone better than me who did something like that, then that might even be something to brag about!

[bobabu]

Nope, I'm right.

Callen at lvl 1lt: Shows love to everyone forgives every blunder.

Callen at lvl major: rage quits and flames opponents

O_o

[pecelot]

why not just win the game and prove your opponent wrong instead of caring whether his actions may or may not insult you

Who chooses what they do and don't care about?

Is this really that complicated of a concept? You guys have never been in a situation where a player wasted your time because they refused to resign? You don't think that's inconsiderate?

Not really. Vide: Cometk's answer, also it's easy to finish off and already dead opponent if you don't get annoyed at first — which seems to be the key.

Moreover, referring to your previous post: I assumed only competitive play was on the table because it was the only common denominator worth discussing. Everyone has their own concept of fun and subsequently playing for fun.

[Cometk]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyAlluringSangBCWarrior

@Goodspeed thoughts?

[jgals]

In Go it's actually considered rude not to resign a lost game. It's considered disrespectful towards your opponent, since by continuing play you are implying that you are counting on them to fuck up and throw the game, wasting their time in the process.

pokemon go? is that what you play now?

[deleted_user]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyAlluringSangBCWarrior

@Goodspeed thoughts?

Yes, that's an example of the title of the thread, vise versa'd.

[Cometk]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyAlluringSangBCWarrior

@Goodspeed thoughts?

Yes, that's literally an example of the title of the thread.

i'm wondering if giveuanxiety was being disrespectful by turtling vs what would've been a sure win for you

[deleted_user]

You forget he's higher rated and thus deserves the win.

[deleted_user]

Besides, look at the smile on GUA's face. I enjoy providing others with happiness in a dry world.

[Goodspeed]

In Go it's actually considered rude not to resign a lost game. It's considered disrespectful towards your opponent, since by continuing play you are implying that you are counting on them to fuck up and throw the game, wasting their time in the process.

pokemon go? is that what you play now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)

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@Cometk @pecelot Ok so you don't think it's inconsiderate. But do you understand why other people might?

https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyAlluringSangBCWarrior

@Goodspeed thoughts?

Yes, that's literally an example of the title of the thread.

i'm wondering if giveuanxiety was being disrespectful by turtling vs what would've been a sure win for you

Was it a sure win? Otto late game is trash

[pecelot]

I do. People can get annoyed or offended for multiple reasons, myself included, therefore I often restrain from stalling games I'm quite sure will end up in me being defeated.

[Cometk]

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@Goodspeed thoughts?

Yes, that's literally an example of the title of the thread.

i'm wondering if giveuanxiety was being disrespectful by turtling vs what would've been a sure win for you

Was it a sure win? Otto late game is trash

very sure win. nothing wrong with Otto late-game when you’ve economically outscaled your opponent and are 100 points ahead. all it would take is some patience. wish i were there to coach callen x)

[Cometk]

@Cometk @pecelot Ok so you don't think it's inconsiderate. But do you understand why other people might?

i think it’s somewhat context dependent, but for random ladder matches i might understand why you wouldn’t want to play against the same guy again if he’s going to drag out every match

[Hazza54321]

Ofc it was a sure win he had 5 tps and otto having more vills that brits is just lel. Also ottos morts are even stronger with the art cards. Not to mention he was an age ahead with all nat tps to overpop