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Does anyone know or have a way to know how accuracy is calculated for archer units? I know that units like eagle runners and CKN miss sometimes but do we know how often?
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Thank you for your helpful reply
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BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.
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zoom wrote:BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

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I mean, it tells us that every arrow has an individual chance of missing, you racist.
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My basic test was 20 eagle runners (300 damage combined) vs skull knights (300hp exactly) in the editor and the erks one shot kill the skulls about 2/3 of the time so I'm guessing around a 3-5% chance to miss but i would love to have accurate numbers
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zoom wrote:BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

Yes because they fire 3 arrows, so all those have the same chance to miss. Iirc its 10% chance to miss for every arrow. I remember I saw this when people were discussing ttm since 8bow vs 8 bow is bullshit when 1xbow misses the 1st shot and you're 1 down from the start
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ah, cool โ€“ thanks!
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macacoalbino wrote:
zoom wrote:BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

Yes because they fire 3 arrows, so all those have the same chance to miss. Iirc its 10% chance to miss for every arrow. I remember I saw this when people were discussing ttm since 8bow vs 8 bow is bullshit when 1xbow misses the 1st shot and you're 1 down from the start


Interesting that you say a 10% chance of missing as from dansil92's eagle runner test it suggests that the chance of missing is ~2% (1-.666^.05). Do we know if projectiles missing is "supposed" to happen or is it an error due to how the game engine runs?
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I said 10% out of memory I must be wrong then. I think it is designed to miss, it's a downside from the archaic units iirc

Maybe a good way to test is getting a single xbow to shoot one of those 1million hp units (like that weird hippopotamus we used for the obs UI in the old days) for a while and check how many arrows missed?
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Yeah its supposed to be a downside, though it always seems silly to me as a longbow or atlatl is far more accurate than primitive muskets. Its always a slight downside on using archers in exchange for less overkill, which is the upside of archers. I dont think macehualtin ever miss but i think all the other units with the archer tag should... never tested cav archers or iron troops so I can't be 100% sure
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Test results:

Idle 1450/0.6 (ranged) HP Mameluke killed in 10:45 (645s) by a Crossbowman doing exactly 12 ranged damage to it per hit, every 3 seconds, at at least 10 range.
645/3=215 shots fired
202 shots connected given 202>1450/0.6/12>201
215-202=13 shots missed
13/215>6%

Conclusion: Crossbowman inaccuracy is at least 6%. Removing it makes for about a 6.4% damage output increase.
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Just remove it...
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There is no reason to allow 1 xbow to miss a 1 hp sepoy for the 1 hp sepoy to kill a 1 hp vill
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Is it all archers that have this negative, or only nilla archers i.e Longbow and Cbow?
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Riotcoke wrote:Is it all archers that have this negative, or only nilla archers i.e Longbow and Cbow?

Eagle runners too and some others I forgot.
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Itโ€™s a stupid mechanic. It affects all archersโ€”as far as I knowโ€”that use arrows or spears as projectiles.

Units like Macehualtin (that I think are classed as archers?), that use musketball projectiles, do not have accuracy mechanics.
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Mitoe wrote:Itโ€™s a stupid mechanic. It affects all archersโ€”as far as I knowโ€”that use arrows or spears as projectiles.

Units like Macehualtin (that I think are classed as archers?), that use musketball projectiles, do not have accuracy mechanics.

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Yeah yumis never miss. I think for example iron troops or blind monks also don't. But the vast majority of archers do miss, and it's just yet another stupid rng mechanic.
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I remember there is a fix number that someone found in game file. I remember it because I remember he said changing the formation mod changes this number (lol).
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bwinner wrote:I remember there is a fix number that someone found in game file. I remember it because I remember he said changing the formation mod changes this number (lol).

Lol, really?
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Riotcoke wrote:Is it all archers that have this negative, or only nilla archers i.e Longbow and Cbow?


I know cetan and aenna and ckn miss, the cav archers & eagle runners miss, and longbows/crossbows. Accuracy seems to be dependent on range and target speed too. I enabled the temple support card for ERKs in the editor and they miss more often at 16 range than at 12.

Mace never miss and apparently yumi dont either
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Aenna seem to miss too despite their projectile looking different than most archers' ones
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