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Does anyone know or have a way to know how accuracy is calculated for archer units? I know that units like eagle runners and CKN miss sometimes but do we know how often?

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BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

zoom wrote:BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

I mean, it tells us that every arrow has an individual chance of missing, you racist.

My basic test was 20 eagle runners (300 damage combined) vs skull knights (300hp exactly) in the editor and the erks one shot kill the skulls about 2/3 of the time so I'm guessing around a 3-5% chance to miss but i would love to have accurate numbers

zoom wrote:BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

Yes because they fire 3 arrows, so all those have the same chance to miss. Iirc its 10% chance to miss for every arrow. I remember I saw this when people were discussing ttm since 8bow vs 8 bow is bullshit when 1xbow misses the 1st shot and you're 1 down from the start

ah, cool – thanks!

macacoalbino wrote:

zoom wrote:BRING ME EAGLEMUT!!

IIRC CKN miss a lot more, which tells us one thing, at least.

Yes because they fire 3 arrows, so all those have the same chance to miss. Iirc its 10% chance to miss for every arrow. I remember I saw this when people were discussing ttm since 8bow vs 8 bow is bullshit when 1xbow misses the 1st shot and you're 1 down from the start

Interesting that you say a 10% chance of missing as from dansil92's eagle runner test it suggests that the chance of missing is ~2% (1-.666^.05). Do we know if projectiles missing is "supposed" to happen or is it an error due to how the game engine runs?

I said 10% out of memory I must be wrong then. I think it is designed to miss, it's a downside from the archaic units iirc

Maybe a good way to test is getting a single xbow to shoot one of those 1million hp units (like that weird hippopotamus we used for the obs UI in the old days) for a while and check how many arrows missed?

Yeah its supposed to be a downside, though it always seems silly to me as a longbow or atlatl is far more accurate than primitive muskets. Its always a slight downside on using archers in exchange for less overkill, which is the upside of archers. I dont think macehualtin ever miss but i think all the other units with the archer tag should... never tested cav archers or iron troops so I can't be 100% sure

Test results:

Idle 1450/0.6 (ranged) HP Mameluke killed in 10:45 (645s) by a Crossbowman doing exactly 12 ranged damage to it per hit, every 3 seconds, at at least 10 range.
645/3=215 shots fired
202 shots connected given 202>1450/0.6/12>201
215-202=13 shots missed
13/215>6%

Conclusion: Crossbowman inaccuracy is at least 6%. Removing it makes for about a 6.4% damage output increase.

Just remove it...

There is no reason to allow 1 xbow to miss a 1 hp sepoy for the 1 hp sepoy to kill a 1 hp vill

Is it all archers that have this negative, or only nilla archers i.e Longbow and Cbow?

Riotcoke wrote:Is it all archers that have this negative, or only nilla archers i.e Longbow and Cbow?

Eagle runners too and some others I forgot.

It’s a stupid mechanic. It affects all archers—as far as I know—that use arrows or spears as projectiles.

Units like Macehualtin (that I think are classed as archers?), that use musketball projectiles, do not have accuracy mechanics.

Mitoe wrote:It’s a stupid mechanic. It affects all archers—as far as I know—that use arrows or spears as projectiles.

Units like Macehualtin (that I think are classed as archers?), that use musketball projectiles, do not have accuracy mechanics.

Aren't yumi 100 percent?

Yeah yumis never miss. I think for example iron troops or blind monks also don't. But the vast majority of archers do miss, and it's just yet another stupid rng mechanic.

I remember there is a fix number that someone found in game file. I remember it because I remember he said changing the formation mod changes this number (lol).

bwinner wrote:I remember there is a fix number that someone found in game file. I remember it because I remember he said changing the formation mod changes this number (lol).

Lol, really?

Riotcoke wrote:Is it all archers that have this negative, or only nilla archers i.e Longbow and Cbow?

I know cetan and aenna and ckn miss, the cav archers & eagle runners miss, and longbows/crossbows. Accuracy seems to be dependent on range and target speed too. I enabled the temple support card for ERKs in the editor and they miss more often at 16 range than at 12.

Mace never miss and apparently yumi dont either

Aenna seem to miss too despite their projectile looking different than most archers' ones

Virgin archer vs chad rifleman