Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
so the uhlan nerf was a failure and an unnecessary change since people can bypass it.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Hardly unnecessary. Colonial uhlans die to one less hussar hit, but ok.
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tedere12 wrote:how did germany suddenly become OP? I'm pretty sure ger france were considered top tier on the first EP versions (not OP tho) and then got nerfed. Now suddenly germany is op without being changed.
France was nerfed, russia was buffed a bit.
Meanwhile i think russia is stronger than france. Or at least it used to when i played.
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Dsy wrote:tedere12 wrote:how did germany suddenly become OP? I'm pretty sure ger france were considered top tier on the first EP versions (not OP tho) and then got nerfed. Now suddenly germany is op without being changed.
France was nerfed, russia was buffed a bit.
Meanwhile i think russia is stronger than france. Or at least it used to when i played.
Russia's only buff in current Ep is 17 strelets shipment switched to 20 strelets
deleted_user wrote:Hardly unnecessary. Colonial uhlans die to one less hussar hit, but ok.
not sure how relevant that is, since germany mostly goes for semi ff
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
tedere12 wrote:so the uhlan nerf was a failure and an unnecessary change since people can bypass it.
It wasn't unnecessary because without it skirm/uhlan would still be op, but yea people bypass it.
Russia got buffed btw, musketeers are les expensive.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
tedere12 wrote:Dsy wrote:tedere12 wrote:how did germany suddenly become OP? I'm pretty sure ger france were considered top tier on the first EP versions (not OP tho) and then got nerfed. Now suddenly germany is op without being changed.
France was nerfed, russia was buffed a bit.
Meanwhile i think russia is stronger than france. Or at least it used to when i played.
Russia's only buff in current Ep is 17 strelets shipment switched to 20 streletsdeleted_user wrote:Hardly unnecessary. Colonial uhlans die to one less hussar hit, but ok.
not sure how relevant that is, since germany mostly goes for semi ff
Ruskets are cheaper
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
tedere12 wrote:Dsy wrote:tedere12 wrote:how did germany suddenly become OP? I'm pretty sure ger france were considered top tier on the first EP versions (not OP tho) and then got nerfed. Now suddenly germany is op without being changed.
France was nerfed, russia was buffed a bit.
Meanwhile i think russia is stronger than france. Or at least it used to when i played.
Russia's only buff in current Ep is 17 strelets shipment switched to 20 streletsdeleted_user wrote:Hardly unnecessary. Colonial uhlans die to one less hussar hit, but ok.
not sure how relevant that is, since germany mostly goes for semi ff
It's clearly relevant for more reasons than I stated.
Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yea, people used to go skirm/uhlan and never make a single WW (that was the H2O rule). Now people just go skim/jaeger/WW and it's even better than what the ger players used to do.
Hang on. Since WWs have been left untouched in the EP patch skirm/Jaeger/WW would be a strong alternative to skrim/uhlan (maybe better?) on the RE patch as well?
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
bepsi wrote:[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yea, people used to go skirm/uhlan and never make a single WW (that was the H2O rule). Now people just go skim/jaeger/WW and it's even better than what the ger players used to do.
Hang on. Since WWs have been left untouched in the EP patch skirm/Jaeger/WW would be a strong alternative to skrim/uhlan (maybe better?) on the RE patch as well?
Yes. Both are as good with EP uhlans in my opinion, but I guess skirm/uhlan is easier.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
[Armag] diarouga wrote:bepsi wrote:[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yea, people used to go skirm/uhlan and never make a single WW (that was the H2O rule). Now people just go skim/jaeger/WW and it's even better than what the ger players used to do.
Hang on. Since WWs have been left untouched in the EP patch skirm/Jaeger/WW would be a strong alternative to skrim/uhlan (maybe better?) on the RE patch as well?
Yes. Both are as good with EP uhlans in my opinion, but I guess skirm/uhlan is easier.
WW are so annoying though.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Skirm/uhlan isn't a thing in 90% of games. And WWs are still easily worse than goons
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Ww are better at sniping falcs, and probably trade vs goons cost effectively
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Sure they're better at sniping falcs and also vs musk/huss. They lose to goons though, and just get sniped down much faster by ranged units generally speaking. And they can get caught by a cav mass unlike goons and suck at kiting
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Goons are much easier to use and better units, ww are just better vs musk and falcs, i think goons are better.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Aren't WW also more efficient vs tanky cav (cuirs, Mahout, Mams, etc.) than goons?
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Why would they?
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Nah they dps almost exactly the same. 5 goons and 3 ww cost exactly the same 450f 450g, and 5 goons deal 5*22*1.2 = 132 while 3 wws deal 3*42 = 126 damage per volley.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
I did the Math, and WW have about 12% more dmg/cost, meaning vs tanky cav they should be more efficient, as overkill becomes much less of a problem.
WW dmg/cost (0,14) Goon dmg/cost (0,122)
WW dmg/cost (0,14) Goon dmg/cost (0,122)
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
why did you do add *1.2 to the calculation of goon dmg @Kaiserklein ?
Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
vet goons I guess.
Anyway WW in mass are pretty annoying. It's just lot of strong units against which you need lot of counter units and that opens up for weaknesses in opponent combo.
Anyway WW in mass are pretty annoying. It's just lot of strong units against which you need lot of counter units and that opens up for weaknesses in opponent combo.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
WW scale better with ups as well. Too bad their overkill on cav like huss sucks.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Ah ok. Man this aoe3 wiki source is tilting me. Always need to check if the stats refer to age 2 or 3.
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
amiggo1999 wrote:Ah ok. Man this aoe3 wiki source is tilting me. Always need to check if the stats refer to age 2 or 3.
The wiki is generally shit
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Re: Kaiser vs Somppu indirect grudge match
Goons has marginally higher attack/res while WW has higher hp/res
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
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