If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
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If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Like Bronze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond, masters, grandmasters?
What PR ranges would be what if the AOE3 ranking system was like this?
0-8 - bronze
8-15 -silver
16-24 - gold
25-29 - plat
30-34 - diamond
35-39 - master
40+ - grandmaster
What PR ranges would be what if the AOE3 ranking system was like this?
0-8 - bronze
8-15 -silver
16-24 - gold
25-29 - plat
30-34 - diamond
35-39 - master
40+ - grandmaster
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
22% of ESO players are not lt col, nope
Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
GM is top 200 so pr30+ is probably GM already
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
It would be better imo.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Goodspeed wrote:GM is top 200 so pr30+ is probably GM already
Yeah that would need to be proportional to player population.
The biggest problem with ranking in AoE3 is the lack of quicksearch or matchmaking in any way. You simply can't have an objective ranking system if you can pick your players. There are a few players of my rank who are clearly just playing 2nd lieutenants all day judging by their Elo. Either way, the change in rank wouldn't change anything if we know the PR ranges. A grandmaster rank sounds cool. Perhaps this is something that can be implemented with ESOC Elo, but I doubt it.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Well ranking anyway you want its just names doesn't make difference lol
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
if someone with time and motivation wants to, we could compare all ELO or PR data that we have into percentages of the active players, then you can make a correlation with current sc2 ranks.
Grandmaster 756(0.20%)
Master 17 770(4.69%)
Diamond 90 834(23.99%)
Platinum 84 126(22.22%)
Gold 72 837(19.24%)
Silver 81 938(21.64%)
Bronze 30 395(8.03%)
Population 378 656(100.00%)
https://www.rankedftw.com/stats/leagues ... &r=-2&sx=a
Grandmaster 756(0.20%)
Master 17 770(4.69%)
Diamond 90 834(23.99%)
Platinum 84 126(22.22%)
Gold 72 837(19.24%)
Silver 81 938(21.64%)
Bronze 30 395(8.03%)
Population 378 656(100.00%)
https://www.rankedftw.com/stats/leagues ... &r=-2&sx=a
Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
@lemmings121 i made a ranking excel file a few months ago and updated it now
[spoiler=population statistics]
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[spoiler=population statistics]
SUP | no. Players and Rank | in % | cumulative |
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Conscript: | 34938 | 33,42% | 33,42% |
Private: | 18905 | 18,08% | 51,50% |
Lance Corporal: | 11610 | 11,10% | 62,60% |
Corporal: | 10512 | 10,05% | 72,65% |
Sergeant: | 9773 | 9,35% | 82,00% |
Master Sergeant: | 7507 | 7,18% | 89,18% |
2nd Lieutenant: | 5051 | 4,83% | 94,01% |
1st Lieutenant: | 3463 | 3,31% | 97,32% |
Captain: | 1661 | 1,59% | 98,91% |
Major: | 585 | 0,56% | 99,47% |
Lieutenant Colonel: | 290 | 0,28% | 99,75% |
Colonel: | 148 | 0,14% | 99,89% |
Brigadier: | 75 | 0,07% | 99,96% |
Major General: | 23 | 0,02% | 99,99% |
Lieutenant General: | 7 | 0,01% | 99,99% |
General: | 2 | 0,00% | 99,99% |
Field Marshal: | 6 | 0,01% | 100,00% |
Total | 104556 | 100,00% | |
NR | no. Players and Rank | in % | cumulative |
Conscript: | 20467 | 40,26% | 40,26% |
Private: | 8357 | 16,44% | 56,70% |
Lance Corporal: | 4675 | 9,20% | 65,90% |
Corporal: | 4357 | 8,57% | 74,47% |
Sergeant: | 4196 | 8,25% | 82,72% |
Master Sergeant: | 3524 | 6,93% | 89,66% |
2nd Lieutenant: | 2621 | 5,16% | 94,81% |
1st Lieutenant: | 1956 | 3,85% | 98,66% |
Captain: | 526 | 1,03% | 99,70% |
Major: | 84 | 0,17% | 99,86% |
Lieutenant Colonel: | 32 | 0,06% | 99,92% |
Colonel: | 20 | 0,04% | 99,96% |
Brigadier: | 6 | 0,01% | 99,97% |
Major General: | 5 | 0,01% | 99,98% |
Lieutenant General: | 3 | 0,01% | 99,99% |
General: | 2 | 0,00% | 99,99% |
Field Marshal: | 3 | 0,01% | 100,00% |
Total | 50834 | 100,00% |
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Who were the 3/6 50s?
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
scarm wrote:Who were the 3/6 50s?
Cheaters
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Mr_Bramboy wrote:Goodspeed wrote:GM is top 200 so pr30+ is probably GM already
Yeah that would need to be proportional to player population.
The biggest problem with ranking in AoE3 is the lack of quicksearch or matchmaking in any way. You simply can't have an objective ranking system if you can pick your players. There are a few players of my rank who are clearly just playing 2nd lieutenants all day judging by their Elo. Either way, the change in rank wouldn't change anything if we know the PR ranges. A grandmaster rank sounds cool. Perhaps this is something that can be implemented with ESOC Elo, but I doubt it.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
supahons wrote:@lemmings121 i made a ranking excel file a few months ago and updated it now
[spoiler=population statistics][/spoiler]
SUP no. Players and Rank in % cumulative Conscript: 34938 33,42% 33,42% Private: 18905 18,08% 51,50% Lance Corporal: 11610 11,10% 62,60% Corporal: 10512 10,05% 72,65% Sergeant: 9773 9,35% 82,00% Master Sergeant: 7507 7,18% 89,18% 2nd Lieutenant: 5051 4,83% 94,01% 1st Lieutenant: 3463 3,31% 97,32% Captain: 1661 1,59% 98,91% Major: 585 0,56% 99,47% Lieutenant Colonel: 290 0,28% 99,75% Colonel: 148 0,14% 99,89% Brigadier: 75 0,07% 99,96% Major General: 23 0,02% 99,99% Lieutenant General: 7 0,01% 99,99% General: 2 0,00% 99,99% Field Marshal: 6 0,01% 100,00% Total 104556 100,00% NR no. Players and Rank in % cumulative Conscript: 20467 40,26% 40,26% Private: 8357 16,44% 56,70% Lance Corporal: 4675 9,20% 65,90% Corporal: 4357 8,57% 74,47% Sergeant: 4196 8,25% 82,72% Master Sergeant: 3524 6,93% 89,66% 2nd Lieutenant: 2621 5,16% 94,81% 1st Lieutenant: 1956 3,85% 98,66% Captain: 526 1,03% 99,70% Major: 84 0,17% 99,86% Lieutenant Colonel: 32 0,06% 99,92% Colonel: 20 0,04% 99,96% Brigadier: 6 0,01% 99,97% Major General: 5 0,01% 99,98% Lieutenant General: 3 0,01% 99,99% General: 2 0,00% 99,99% Field Marshal: 3 0,01% 100,00% Total 50834 100,00%
cool, combining both data, we get aprox this:
Grandmaster Colonel+
Master 1lt-Colonel
Diamond Corporal-1lt
Platinum Private-Corporal
Gold Conscript-Private
Silver Conscript
Bronze Conscript
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Lol, 1st lt is master xD.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
But I believe the data that supahons used is from all accounts, maybe the lower ranks of sup are inflated by a people who played only once in the accout. The sc2 data considers only active players in the last season.
A more accurate way of doing this is probably taking the percentage distribution on aoe3 from active 1v1 jp elo, where there are only 4400 active 1v1 players
A more accurate way of doing this is probably taking the percentage distribution on aoe3 from active 1v1 jp elo, where there are only 4400 active 1v1 players
Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
lemmings121 wrote:But I believe the data that supahons used is from all accounts, maybe the lower ranks of sup are inflated by a people who played only once in the accout. The sc2 data considers only active players in the last season.
A more accurate way of doing this is probably taking the percentage distribution on aoe3 from active 1v1 jp elo.
it's from the esoc population statistics (Distribution of maximum achieved player ranks on ESO, as recorded by ESOC Elo Ladder (its recording started in 2017-06).
the inactive players are counted too in this data.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
supahons wrote:@lemmings121 i made a ranking excel file a few months ago and updated it now
[spoiler=population statistics][/spoiler]
SUP no. Players and Rank in % cumulative Conscript: 34938 33,42% 33,42% Private: 18905 18,08% 51,50% Lance Corporal: 11610 11,10% 62,60% Corporal: 10512 10,05% 72,65% Sergeant: 9773 9,35% 82,00% Master Sergeant: 7507 7,18% 89,18% 2nd Lieutenant: 5051 4,83% 94,01% 1st Lieutenant: 3463 3,31% 97,32% Captain: 1661 1,59% 98,91% Major: 585 0,56% 99,47% Lieutenant Colonel: 290 0,28% 99,75% Colonel: 148 0,14% 99,89% Brigadier: 75 0,07% 99,96% Major General: 23 0,02% 99,99% Lieutenant General: 7 0,01% 99,99% General: 2 0,00% 99,99% Field Marshal: 6 0,01% 100,00% Total 104556 100,00% NR no. Players and Rank in % cumulative Conscript: 20467 40,26% 40,26% Private: 8357 16,44% 56,70% Lance Corporal: 4675 9,20% 65,90% Corporal: 4357 8,57% 74,47% Sergeant: 4196 8,25% 82,72% Master Sergeant: 3524 6,93% 89,66% 2nd Lieutenant: 2621 5,16% 94,81% 1st Lieutenant: 1956 3,85% 98,66% Captain: 526 1,03% 99,70% Major: 84 0,17% 99,86% Lieutenant Colonel: 32 0,06% 99,92% Colonel: 20 0,04% 99,96% Brigadier: 6 0,01% 99,97% Major General: 5 0,01% 99,98% Lieutenant General: 3 0,01% 99,99% General: 2 0,00% 99,99% Field Marshal: 3 0,01% 100,00% Total 50834 100,00%
So Captain is high Masters. Nice. I guess you need to remove the billions of conscripts to get a better picture.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Yea, need to remove the inactive conscripts and the inactive 1st lt xD.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Hmm ok quick and dirty (and possibly flawed due to things I'm not considering), so jp elo has 9355 "active" accounts (idk what counts for that). So the top ~19 would be the same proportion as GM for sc2, top ~457 Master, top ~2702 Diamond.
So approx PR36+ GM, PR 25-35 Master, PR 16-24 Diamond and then idrc below that.
So approx PR36+ GM, PR 25-35 Master, PR 16-24 Diamond and then idrc below that.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
lemmings121 wrote:But I believe the data that supahons used is from all accounts, maybe the lower ranks of sup are inflated by a people who played only once in the accout. The sc2 data considers only active players in the last season.
A more accurate way of doing this is probably taking the percentage distribution on aoe3 from active 1v1 jp elo, where there are only 4400 active 1v1 players
Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Mr_Bramboy wrote:supahons wrote:@lemmings121 i made a ranking excel file a few months ago and updated it now
[spoiler=population statistics][/spoiler]
SUP no. Players and Rank in % cumulative Conscript: 34938 33,42% 33,42% Private: 18905 18,08% 51,50% Lance Corporal: 11610 11,10% 62,60% Corporal: 10512 10,05% 72,65% Sergeant: 9773 9,35% 82,00% Master Sergeant: 7507 7,18% 89,18% 2nd Lieutenant: 5051 4,83% 94,01% 1st Lieutenant: 3463 3,31% 97,32% Captain: 1661 1,59% 98,91% Major: 585 0,56% 99,47% Lieutenant Colonel: 290 0,28% 99,75% Colonel: 148 0,14% 99,89% Brigadier: 75 0,07% 99,96% Major General: 23 0,02% 99,99% Lieutenant General: 7 0,01% 99,99% General: 2 0,00% 99,99% Field Marshal: 6 0,01% 100,00% Total 104556 100,00% NR no. Players and Rank in % cumulative Conscript: 20467 40,26% 40,26% Private: 8357 16,44% 56,70% Lance Corporal: 4675 9,20% 65,90% Corporal: 4357 8,57% 74,47% Sergeant: 4196 8,25% 82,72% Master Sergeant: 3524 6,93% 89,66% 2nd Lieutenant: 2621 5,16% 94,81% 1st Lieutenant: 1956 3,85% 98,66% Captain: 526 1,03% 99,70% Major: 84 0,17% 99,86% Lieutenant Colonel: 32 0,06% 99,92% Colonel: 20 0,04% 99,96% Brigadier: 6 0,01% 99,97% Major General: 5 0,01% 99,98% Lieutenant General: 3 0,01% 99,99% General: 2 0,00% 99,99% Field Marshal: 3 0,01% 100,00% Total 50834 100,00%
So Captain is high Masters. Nice. I guess you need to remove the billions of conscripts to get a better picture.
[spoiler=without conscripts]
SUP | no. Players and max. Rank | in % | cumulative |
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Private: | 18905 | 27,16% | 27,16% |
Lance Corporal: | 11610 | 16,68% | 43,83% |
Corporal: | 10512 | 15,10% | 58,93% |
Sergeant: | 9773 | 14,04% | 72,97% |
Master Sergeant: | 7507 | 10,78% | 83,75% |
2nd Lieutenant: | 5051 | 7,26% | 91,01% |
1st Lieutenant: | 3463 | 4,97% | 95,98% |
Captain: | 1661 | 2,39% | 98,37% |
Major: | 585 | 0,84% | 99,21% |
Lieutenant Colonel: | 290 | 0,42% | 99,63% |
Colonel: | 148 | 0,21% | 99,84% |
Brigadier: | 75 | 0,11% | 99,95% |
Major General: | 23 | 0,03% | 99,98% |
Lieutenant General: | 7 | 0,01% | 99,99% |
General: | 2 | 0,00% | 99,99% |
Field Marshal: | 6 | 0,01% | 100,00% |
Total | 69618 | 100,00% | |
NR | no. Players and max. Rank | in % | cumulative |
Private: | 8357 | 27,52% | 27,52% |
Lance Corporal: | 4675 | 15,40% | 42,92% |
Corporal: | 4357 | 14,35% | 57,26% |
Sergeant: | 4196 | 13,82% | 71,08% |
Master Sergeant: | 3524 | 11,60% | 82,69% |
2nd Lieutenant: | 2621 | 8,63% | 91,32% |
1st Lieutenant: | 1956 | 6,44% | 97,76% |
Captain: | 526 | 1,73% | 99,49% |
Major: | 84 | 0,28% | 99,77% |
Lieutenant Colonel: | 32 | 0,11% | 99,87% |
Colonel: | 20 | 0,07% | 99,94% |
Brigadier: | 6 | 0,02% | 99,96% |
Major General: | 5 | 0,02% | 99,97% |
Lieutenant General: | 3 | 0,01% | 99,98% |
General: | 2 | 0,01% | 99,99% |
Field Marshal: | 3 | 0,01% | 100,00% |
Total | 30367 | 100,00% |
It doesn't change a lot without conscripts
It's the maxium rank a player has achieved in the last 50 months. Maybe without cheaters or inactive players it would be more accurate. I don't think it would be a lot different, because it's quite impossible to reach Masterserg/1st Lt/Major+ if you don't have a certain skill/gameknowledge ... It's quite unlikely to get there, if you play this game just for fun and don't care about ranking up.
Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
Is it possible to implement the Elo instead of PR for EP? So that when you hover above a players name, it shows Elo instead of PR?
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I got curious and did the math for current JP elo, only active 1v1 players. Bellow the minimum Elo for each league.
Grandmaster 756(0.20%) 2507 ( kaiser )
Master 17 770(4.69%) 2038 ( @macacoalbino )
Diamond 90 834(23.99%) 1672
Platinum 84 126(22.22%) 1605
Gold 72 837(19.24%) 1569
Silver 81 938(21.64%) 1471
Bronze 30 395(8.03%) 1012
Grandmaster 756(0.20%) 2507 ( kaiser )
Master 17 770(4.69%) 2038 ( @macacoalbino )
Diamond 90 834(23.99%) 1672
Platinum 84 126(22.22%) 1605
Gold 72 837(19.24%) 1569
Silver 81 938(21.64%) 1471
Bronze 30 395(8.03%) 1012
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
lemmings121 wrote:I got curious and did the math for current JP elo, only active 1v1 players. Bellow the minimum Elo for each league.
Grandmaster 756(0.20%) 2507 ( kaiser )
Master 17 770(4.69%) 2038 ( @macacoalbino )
Diamond 90 834(23.99%) 1672
Platinum 84 126(22.22%) 1605
Gold 72 837(19.24%) 1569
Silver 81 938(21.64%) 1471
Bronze 30 395(8.03%) 1012
It doesn't really work. GM is too hard to reach, and you start with 1600 elos ie in plat while you should start in bronze.
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Re: If aoe3 had the same ranking system as SC2
[Armag] diarouga wrote:lemmings121 wrote:I got curious and did the math for current JP elo, only active 1v1 players. Bellow the minimum Elo for each league.
Grandmaster 756(0.20%) 2507 ( kaiser )
Master 17 770(4.69%) 2038 ( @macacoalbino )
Diamond 90 834(23.99%) 1672
Platinum 84 126(22.22%) 1605
Gold 72 837(19.24%) 1569
Silver 81 938(21.64%) 1471
Bronze 30 395(8.03%) 1012
It doesn't really work. GM is too hard to reach, and you start with 1600 elos ie in plat while you should start in bronze.
You dont start from the botton. as you said, you start from 1600 in aoe3, and you start with plat mmr in sc2. the stats show that clearlly: half the players go down from the starting point, half up.
GM isnt really a fair comparison because 0.2% is just to few people with only 4000 active players.
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