Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

Poll ended at 19 Aug 2019, 14:46

Yes
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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princeofcarthage wrote:
jgals wrote:fools, don't you have any idea how hard it would be for devs to code being able to train a new unit???

Yes, 2 mins

Shhhhh. the point of this is to cause the dev ego to be hurt and to make this change just to show how easy it would be for him
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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zoom wrote:It's specifically intended to be a unique unit, available only from the home city. It's in the description. It should be less unviable, though!


Such a weak argument, are we limited to original game descriptions? That ship has long sailed. (eepee).
Mahout lancer is even stronger unit than spahi but you can them, why? Bcz TAD dev didn't give a fuck about previous editions and did why they want.
India also has urumi infinite shipment on top of that but they also have sacred fields to make up for that.
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I think nobody here is opposing to an infinite spahi shipment. Making them trainable from stable just makes little sense though, imo.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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gamevideo113 wrote:I think nobody here is opposing to an infinite spahi shipment. Making them trainable from stable just makes little sense though, imo.


Let's see that too
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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aqwer wrote:
zoom wrote:It's specifically intended to be a unique unit, available only from the home city. It's in the description. It should be less unviable, though!


Such a weak argument, are we limited to original game descriptions? That ship has long sailed. (eepee).
Mahout lancer is even stronger unit than spahi but you can them, why? Bcz TAD dev didn't give a fuck about previous editions and did why they want.
India also has urumi infinite shipment on top of that but they also have sacred fields to make up for that.


I mean, Ottomans have free trickling vils and Abus Guns, so the comparison is kindof wonk :|
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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I would like Ottomans to have a special Revolution politician giving TCs a free trickle of Spahis every 45 seconds.
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duckzilla wrote:I would like Ottomans to have a special Revolution politician giving TCs a free trickle of Spahis every 45 seconds.

The point of the revolution is that you cut ties with your homecity though xD
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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wait mahout lancer is stronger than spahi? are u fuking with me
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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gamevideo113 wrote:I think nobody here is opposing to an infinite spahi shipment. Making them trainable from stable just makes little sense though, imo.

And with that u dont need abus :biggrin:, make it 500 food each and takes 1min to train
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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randerzbobanderz wrote:That would be changing the game too much IMO. Changing stats for balance I can get, but adding trainable units isnt even a patch, its just a mod.

:chinese: u right, soon they will ask to train explorers in the TC
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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sebnan12 wrote:wait mahout lancer is stronger than spahi? are u fuking with me

How are they not? :hmm:
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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aqwer wrote:
sebnan12 wrote:wait mahout lancer is stronger than spahi? are u fuking with me

How are they not? :hmm:

Well, they are less pop efficient and far worse against any unit that is not a skirm. Spahis even have a larger splash area.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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duckzilla wrote:
aqwer wrote:
sebnan12 wrote:wait mahout lancer is stronger than spahi? are u fuking with me

How are they not? :hmm:

Well, they are less pop efficient and far worse against any unit that is not a skirm. Spahis even have a larger splash area.


You are mistaken, the only thing bad about them is pop which also can be reduced by a card. In later game they have much more hp and more attack than Spahi , and x2 against ranged inf to boost, too much siege and 30% rr.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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Ottoman should be able to train great bombard as turkman say
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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aqwer wrote:
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Well, they are less pop efficient and far worse against any unit that is not a skirm. Spahis even have a larger splash area.


You are mistaken, the only thing bad about them is pop which also can be reduced by a card. In later game they have much more hp and more attack than Spahi , and x2 against ranged inf to boost, too much siege and 30% rr.

No u

Mahout still cost 6 pop with that card and have a lower base attack (28 vs 35). Their siege does not matter, since they have the worst siege animation in the game and it is nearly impossible to get multiple elephants to properly siege something together. Their HP + RR is the only thing that is in their favor, and it is not twice as good as having a spahi. If you have the choice between 2 spahi (6 pop) and 1 mahout (6 pop), the spahi will always dominate.

@topic: spahis should be able to produce further spahis like daimyos.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

Post by randerzbobanderz »

aqwer wrote:
sebnan12 wrote:wait mahout lancer is stronger than spahi? are u fuking with me

How are they not? :hmm:


They take more than twice as much pop space as Spahi. Not to mention they don't upgrade automatically with age.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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randerzbobanderz wrote:
aqwer wrote:
sebnan12 wrote:wait mahout lancer is stronger than spahi? are u fuking with me

How are they not? :hmm:


They take more than twice as much pop space as Spahi. Not to mention they don't upgrade automatically with age.


Spahi auto upgrade bcz you have a limited number. Mahot lancer is very strong with cards and mansabdar and monks.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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duckzilla wrote:
aqwer wrote:
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You are mistaken, the only thing bad about them is pop which also can be reduced by a card. In later game they have much more hp and more attack than Spahi , and x2 against ranged inf to boost, too much siege and 30% rr.

No u

Mahout still cost 6 pop with that card and have a lower base attack (28 vs 35). Their siege does not matter, since they have the worst siege animation in the game and it is nearly impossible to get multiple elephants to properly siege something together. Their HP + RR is the only thing that is in their favor, and it is not twice as good as having a spahi. If you have the choice between 2 spahi (6 pop) and 1 mahout (6 pop), the spahi will always dominate.

@topic: spahis should be able to produce further spahis like daimyos.


Mahout lancer is very strong with cards and mansabdar and monks. Check it out.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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Mahout is not even a "good" unit with all cards sent, no matter whether you count the 13 pop mansabdar into it. I checked it out, multiple times, and... it's crap.

Indian cavalry in general is only good because of the quantity of choices. Every single cavalry unit by itself is worse than its competitors (hussar/cuir/spahi).
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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Training Spahi from the stables is grossly overpowered. The AI can do it and it get's boring watching them slaughter everything with 1500? HP or something absurd.
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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aqwer wrote:It is very frustrating that Ottoman can't train their special unit "spahi" but all other civs can e.g. dog soldier for Sioux, cuir for French, mahot lancer for India and urumi infinite shipment, skull knight for Aztec.
It would make their late game a bit fun which is so bad right now.
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P.S. ofc you can remove auto upgrade, heal abilities and adjust the cost by stats.

I don't think so, they're so good because you can't train them
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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will be more op..
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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or I think yes..
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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that make no sense..
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Re: Should Ottoman be able to train spahi?

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Lol it crossed my mind to have them train in the factory, but then I was like "Wtf? Are you building 17th century robo-horses? Why would Spahi come from the factory?" I mean, gameplay-wise that would probably be fine, but the idea of it is so silly. But tbh I don't really see the need for Otto to train Spahi. Is anyone complaining about Dutch not being able to train Stadhouders?

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