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18 Aug 2019, 17:19

Grenadier work vs light infantry
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18 Aug 2019, 17:21

almalek wrote:Grenadier work vs light infantry


Light infantry like coyote runners?
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18 Aug 2019, 17:30

coyote runner is a cav type unit..
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18 Aug 2019, 17:46

almalek wrote:coyote runner is a cav type unit..

Coyote runner is a light inf unit my dude. Check out the tags on the unit
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rsy wrote:
almalek wrote:coyote runner is a cav type unit..

Coyote runner is a light inf unit my dude. Check out the tags on the unit

The agile Coyote Runner is a unique class of unit that is able to fulfill the role of a cavalry at a lesser cost and effective against long-range infantry and artillery, but vulnerable to heavy infantry and ranged cavalry.
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22 Aug 2019, 01:59

dansil92 wrote:
almalek wrote:Grenadier work vs light infantry


Light infantry like coyote runners?

skirms, lb.....
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22 Aug 2019, 02:13

almalek wrote:
rsy wrote:
almalek wrote:coyote runner is a cav type unit..

Coyote runner is a light inf unit my dude. Check out the tags on the unit

The agile Coyote Runner is a unique class of unit that is able to fulfill the role of a cavalry at a lesser cost and effective against long-range infantry and artillery, but vulnerable to heavy infantry and ranged cavalry.


That agile Coyote Runner you refer too has a light infantry tag.

Longbows/skirmishers etc are just infantry.
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The agile Coyote Runner is a unique class of unit that is able to fulfill the role of a cavalry at a lesser cost and effective against long-range infantry and artillery, but vulnerable to heavy infantry and ranged cavalry.


That agile Coyote Runner you refer too has a light infantry tag.

Longbows/skirmishers etc are just infantry.

and its cav type unit.
In Age of Empires III, all ranged infantry units that counter heavy infantry and light cavalry with their ranged attacks are considered light infantry.
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22 Aug 2019, 02:56

Incorrect.

Light infantry applies to Coyoterunners, Eagle Knights, Rattan Shield type units. Don't believe me? Look inside the proto.xml file and read the games coding for yourself.

Skirmishers and the like are just infantry.
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22 Aug 2019, 03:08

iCourt wrote:Incorrect.

Light infantry applies to Coyoterunners, Eagle Knights, Rattan Shield type units. Don't believe me? Look inside the proto.xml file and read the games coding for yourself.

Skirmishers and the like are just infantry.

correct on tad.
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22 Aug 2019, 03:11

I call skirms/longbows/mace etc. either skirmies or medium infantry for clarity.

Light infantry- human cav
Ranged infantry- skirms
Heavy infantry- anticavalry infantry

To further add to the confusion: mantlets, arrow knights and minutemen have only the infantry tag as well, making them technically skirmisher units as far as counters are concerned.

The aoe3 wiki is smattered with confusing articles indiscriminately refering to skirmishers as light infantry, which is incorrect. Units like lancers and naginata do not hard counter coyote runners or eagle runners, despite the wiki insisting that they counter light infantry
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22 Aug 2019, 03:29

almalek wrote:
iCourt wrote:Incorrect.

Light infantry applies to Coyoterunners, Eagle Knights, Rattan Shield type units. Don't believe me? Look inside the proto.xml file and read the games coding for yourself.

Skirmishers and the like are just infantry.

correct on tad.

And... TWC where coyotes were introduced and they were tagged as light infantry. Nice try on the save though. Was cute.
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22 Aug 2019, 03:38

iCourt wrote:
almalek wrote:
iCourt wrote:Incorrect.

Light infantry applies to Coyoterunners, Eagle Knights, Rattan Shield type units. Don't believe me? Look inside the proto.xml file and read the games coding for yourself.

Skirmishers and the like are just infantry.

correct on tad.

And... TWC where coyotes were introduced and they were tagged as light infantry. Nice try on the save though. Was cute.

and on Age of Empires III?
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And... TWC where coyotes were introduced and they were tagged as light infantry. Nice try on the save though. Was cute.

and on Age of Empires III?

look for light infantry units in Age of Empires III are:
Skirmisher Strelet CassadorLongbowman... but for tad and TWC correct.
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22 Aug 2019, 04:03

Yes. Light infantry on vanilla. Tags have changed several times over the years. Units lost or gained several tags.

However, when referencing coyotes and skirms (especially in the same post ^_^ ) it goes as follows.

Light Infantry: Coyote runners, Eagle Knight, Rattans
Infantry/Ranged infantry: Skirmishers, Longbows, Muskets etc

You'll notice muskets break this system. As they are heavy infantry and perform as such. I'm just telling you what the tags are. I'm not trying to argue they are great tags or easily understandable to newcomers. But it is what it is. The code doesn't lie.

If I ran the zoo I'd change the tagging system to be more clear.
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22 Aug 2019, 04:35

Tiger claws are light infantry too, but also infantry. Native scouts (which act like a light infantry unit once "advanced scout" is sent are just infantry
Disciples are light infantry

Its all super logical. My favorite part is that skirms do 0.75 to coyoteman tag but not lightinfantry tag, which would be simpler and more logical
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22 Aug 2019, 04:36

dansil92 wrote:Its all super logical. My favorite part is that skirms do 0.75 to coyoteman tag but not lightinfantry tag, which would be simpler and more logical


Isn't that because they'd also do less damage to ERKs?
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Kawapasaka wrote:
dansil92 wrote:Its all super logical. My favorite part is that skirms do 0.75 to coyoteman tag but not lightinfantry tag, which would be simpler and more logical


Isn't that because they'd also do less damage to ERKs?


Correct.
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Kawapasaka wrote:
dansil92 wrote:Its all super logical. My favorite part is that skirms do 0.75 to coyoteman tag but not lightinfantry tag, which would be simpler and more logical


Isn't that because they'd also do less damage to ERKs?


But most skirms do 0.75vs cav, 2x vs light cav for 1.5x. Erks is just 2x.
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dansil92 wrote:
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dansil92 wrote:Its all super logical. My favorite part is that skirms do 0.75 to coyoteman tag but not lightinfantry tag, which would be simpler and more logical


Isn't that because they'd also do less damage to ERKs?


But most skirms do 0.75vs cav, 2x vs light cav for 1.5x. Erks is just 2x.


Well ERKs are brooken so that's fine by me.
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But most skirms do 0.75vs cav, 2x vs light cav for 1.5x. Erks is just 2x.


Well ERKs are brooken so that's fine by me.


don't make me spam pure eagle runners vs skirmishers and still win
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22 Aug 2019, 23:40

iCourt wrote:Yes. Light infantry on vanilla. Tags have changed several times over the years. Units lost or gained several tags.

However, when referencing coyotes and skirms (especially in the same post ^_^ ) it goes as follows.

Light Infantry: Coyote runners, Eagle Knight, Rattans
Infantry/Ranged infantry: Skirmishers, Longbows, Muskets etc

You'll notice muskets break this system. As they are heavy infantry and perform as such. I'm just telling you what the tags are. I'm not trying to argue they are great tags or easily understandable to newcomers. But it is what it is. The code doesn't lie.

If I ran the zoo I'd change the tagging system to be more clear.

your correct on tad and twc. and how?
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23 Aug 2019, 00:20

Skirmishers dont need their own tag since until TAD came out, nothing countered skirms as an individual unit, but then (deep breath) Tiger Claws, Steppe, Naginata, Mahout, Sowar, Iron Flails, all came along and ruined everything and the devs went and did the stupid cancelation mutipliers rather than adding in a tag. This is unfortunate, since all those units now counter most explorers, minutemen, and other non skirmisher non archer infantry.
(It also makes those cav units absolute crap at killing artillery)
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almalek wrote:
iCourt wrote:Yes. Light infantry on vanilla. Tags have changed several times over the years. Units lost or gained several tags.

However, when referencing coyotes and skirms (especially in the same post ^_^ ) it goes as follows.

Light Infantry: Coyote runners, Eagle Knight, Rattans
Infantry/Ranged infantry: Skirmishers, Longbows, Muskets etc

You'll notice muskets break this system. As they are heavy infantry and perform as such. I'm just telling you what the tags are. I'm not trying to argue they are great tags or easily understandable to newcomers. But it is what it is. The code doesn't lie.

If I ran the zoo I'd change the tagging system to be more clear.

your correct on tad and twc. and how?

from start Age of Empires III light infantry skirm type unit. going to twc and tad Coyote runners, Eagle Knight, Rattans.
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almalek wrote:
almalek wrote:
iCourt wrote:Yes. Light infantry on vanilla. Tags have changed several times over the years. Units lost or gained several tags.

However, when referencing coyotes and skirms (especially in the same post ^_^ ) it goes as follows.

Light Infantry: Coyote runners, Eagle Knight, Rattans
Infantry/Ranged infantry: Skirmishers, Longbows, Muskets etc

You'll notice muskets break this system. As they are heavy infantry and perform as such. I'm just telling you what the tags are. I'm not trying to argue they are great tags or easily understandable to newcomers. But it is what it is. The code doesn't lie.

If I ran the zoo I'd change the tagging system to be more clear.

your correct on tad and twc. and how?

from start Age of Empires III light infantry skirm type unit. going to twc and tad Coyote runners, Eagle Knight, Rattans.


He already acknowledged this; why are you still arguing?
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