EP Win Rate Statistics

[I_HaRRiiSoN_I]

Wtf Brit players?

1) Most active top players dont bother to play it because many counter picks (erik inactice, dia grinding unr)
2) Std map set gave klondike, HP, mendo 24/7
3) Manor nerf undeserved

4) GUA plays British into every match up

[BrookG]

@lemmings121 couple of questions,

1) Where do you get this data?
2) how do you get this data?
3) is any other information you can extract?

Buckethead extracted the data from EP backlog and you need some knowledge of the specific code its language syntax. I had asked him several times for them and he exported the csv files. Afaik it is somewhat possible to maintain an EP Statistics page, where all winrates are included per EP iteration, however, the amount of space it requires is significant and can be refreshed only daily or once every 2 days. It may be even longer, like a week or so. Don't take my word for granted. Also, devs have to spend time for designing the whole code for it, so it hasn't been a priority.

Bucket surely can export info about high/low elo (seed for my tournament sheets), map name, game duration for recorded games. If the game is hosted in observer mode, potentially we can get info about shipments sent, upgrades, age ups and others, but further organising the data is harder, because UI is catered for viewer compatibility rather than data collection. For example, age ups work differently in TAD and euro civs.

[Goodspeed]

Wtf Brit players?

1) Most active top players dont bother to play it because many counter picks (erik inactice, dia grinding unr)
2) Std map set gave klondike, HP, mendo 24/7
3) Manor nerf undeserved

4) GUA plays British into every match up

That doesn't explain the 39% win rate against Dutch, historically one of the easiest Brit MUs
But a small sample will do that

[deleted_user0]

Playing vs raph has really shifted my opinion to atleast neutral. Gs you should go show how its done

Imo brits are a bit overrated. They're not bad but not very close to the top either.

[I_HaRRiiSoN_I]

@BrookG would only want global data like date / patch / ELO / PR / TP-Map(Y/N) / game time. That way you can group things like PR/ELO difference and game time per 10 minutes etc. Also comparing recent data against future patch data would be intresting.

[BrookG]

@BrookG would only want global data like date / patch / ELO / PR / TP-Map(Y/N) / game time. That way you can group things like PR/ELO difference and game time per 10 minutes etc. Also comparing recent data against future patch data would be intresting.

if you have map info you can get TP-Map(Y/N) posteriorly

[BrookG]

I had raised the issue of creating a global EP stat page ot the devs, but unfortunately there wasn't much time nor much request about it.

[Goodspeed]

Playing vs raph has really shifted my opinion to atleast neutral. Gs you should go show how its done

Imo brits are a bit overrated. They're not bad but not very close to the top either.

No doubt I would lose that MU to Raph since atm I can't execute a build if my life depended on it, but with equal skill levels the Brit should win, no? The 5th bank does make it easier for Dutch but still

And agreed Brits are overrated, I don't think the manor nerf was needed in hindsight. On high res maps they are probably still (one of the) top civ(s) but the current map pool is at best not great for them.

[deleted_user0]

Yea. Obviously, I'm not on the same level either. But Rapha is really good at that MU and I don't personalöy believe its brit favoured before I see somebody taking rapha down atleast in a few games.

[Hazza54321]

@lordraphael bring it tiny junger

[Hazza54321]

If gua doesn’t get there first

[[Armag] diarouga]

Wtf Brit players?

Yea Brit is a bad civ on the EP mapset, every time I use it I guess tassili or mendocino. Quite sure half of the maps are bad for Brit. Also yea, India and Russia.

[Djigit]

The most played MU is French vs Russia with 240 games. Even that number is too small to draw any credible conclusion.

[BrookG]

Which imo is a good reason not to update EP balance that much and that often

[[Armag] diarouga]

It just doesn't matter tbh. Look at the RE statistics, they're not reliable at all even with many games.

[princeofcarthage]

Great!, Only British need a buff then, and maybe Iro a slight nerf, all other civ seems within reasonable margin of win/loss, Germany seems perfect right now with near 50% win/loss rate.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Great!, Only British need a buff then, and maybe Iro a slight nerf, all other civ seems within reasonable margin of win/loss, Germany seems perfect right now with near 50% win/loss rate.

These statistics are obviously irrelevant lol. Can't draw conclusions from it.

[bwinner]

Wtf Brit players?

Yea Brit is a bad civ on the EP mapset, every time I use it I guess tassili or mendocino. Quite sure half of the maps are bad for Brit. Also yea, India and Russia.

Saying that it's because of India/Russia is not true because if you look at the data they also lose in every single other MU except otto which is 50%.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Interesting. I guess it's because of lower level players playing it. It's the most popular civ and I nobody in the top10 plays it.

[Garja]

Mendocino and High plains are exceptional maps for Brits with 2'0235'249345'02354280457u billion of resources. In fact all EP maps are Brit friendly. That's exactly the reason why Brits are so good on EP in the first place.

[Mitoe]

EP map set is definitely not bad for Brit.

[Goodspeed]

Of course not. The point is that it's worse than it was when we decided Brit was OP.

[Garja]

I dont think we ever decided Brit was OP. All we decided is that 35w for an extra vill is more valuable on EP given the resources, so we actualized it increasing the manor cost by a simple 5w. 40w for a vill sounds a more reasonable cost on EP.

[Mitoe]

It’s about the same really, nothing has changed. The only thing that changed was the maps that were featured in tournaments this year (which, to be fair, may have been what you meant anyway).

Personally I think the only reason Brit seems underwhelming on many of those maps is also because most Brit players seem to be rather one-dimensional in how they play the civ. It’s always super easy to predict what they’re going to do every game, and each player seems to think that deviating from what they believe is the “optimal” way to play Brit is out of the question.

Brit can do a lot more than sit at home passively making pikes and muskets and aging. If anything this is one of the worst ways to play them on many maps.

[Hazza54321]

You play them much worse ehehehe