How to balance the civs

[Mimsy for President]

Why french and germans don't have schooners btw ?

[momuuu]

most ideas are so extreme that i''m realy afraid that someday a patch will come out and make the game worse. lol

we got to thing in small changes, not reworking every civ.

you don''t need to complete rework the civs, but you can change some strats up to make them more entertainable/unique.

I actually think the problem with the fan patch was that they made it with balance in mind. I think that a succesful patch always has gameplay as the core idea behind it, and then balances according to that.

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open history books?
u will understand

I already understand.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/xagprP7.jpg"]

Empress Dowager Cixi dont upgrade all army.

u read???

[Mr. Pecksniff]

I already understand.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/xagprP7.jpg"]

Empress Dowager Cixi dont upgrade all army.

u read???

Yes, I can read as a matter of fact.

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I already understand.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/xagprP7.jpg[/img]

Empress Dowager Cixi dont upgrade all army.

u read???

"Do not change the stats. They are a symbol of white power!"

Damn, Euro trash making the American pigs of today seem like scrubs...

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Empress Dowager Cixi dont upgrade all army.

u read???

Yes, I can read as a matter of fact.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Bofwm3P.jpg"]

lol

if china upgrade ? will lose?
u ..... lol
sword vs gun wow u ..... lol

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China(MIng) vs japan (before Meiji_Restoration ) = china win ex game sword vs sword = china age3 vs japan age3 = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... E2%80%9398)

china(qing) vs japan (afer Meiji Restoration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration ) china age3 vs japan age 4 = lose? or a3 win a4 ? lol lol = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War)

china(qing) vs england(brit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution ) = china age 4 vs eng age 5 = lose? or a4 win a5? lol lol = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War


why? lose? i say = after Kangxi Emperor = other Emperor and Empress Dowager Cixi don't upgrade all army. don't care don't interesting army ??? ok understand ?

sword vs gun but u want sword win gun??? lol crazy
or age 5 vs age 4 ? lol
i'm funny lol.
u can ex age 5 vs age 4 lol

[Mr. Pecksniff]

China(MIng) vs japan (before Meiji_Restoration ?) = china win ex game sword vs sword = china age3 vs japan age3 = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... E2%80%9398)

china(qing) vs japan (afer Meiji Restoration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration ) ?china age3 vs japan age 4 = lose? or a3 win a4 ? lol lol = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War)

china(qing) vs england(brit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution ) = china age 4 vs eng age 5 = lose? or a4 win a5? lol lol = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War


why? lose? i say = after Kangxi Emperor = other Emperor and Empress Dowager Cixi don''t upgrade all army. don''t care don''t interesting army ??? ok understand ?

sword vs gun but u want sword win gun??? lol crazy?
or age 5 vs age 4 ? lol?
i''m funny lol. ?
u can ex age 5 vs age 4 lol

But if we''re being faithful to historical accuracy here, then China''s backwardness in military technology should be built into the game.

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China(MIng) vs japan (before Meiji_Restoration ) = china win ex game sword vs sword = china age3 vs japan age3 = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... E2%80%9398)

china(qing) vs japan (afer Meiji Restoration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration ) china age3 vs japan age 4 = lose? or a3 win a4 ? lol lol = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War)

china(qing) vs england(brit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution ) = china age 4 vs eng age 5 = lose? or a4 win a5? lol lol = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War


why? lose? i say = after Kangxi Emperor = other Emperor and Empress Dowager Cixi dont upgrade all army. dont care dont interesting army ??? ok understand ?

sword vs gun but u want sword win gun??? lol crazy
or age 5 vs age 4 ? lol
im funny lol.
u can ex age 5 vs age 4 lol

But if were being faithful to historical accuracy here, then Chinas backwardness in military technology should be built into the game.

no ex age 5 vs age 4? it ex age vs but in game if china age4 Industrial_Revolution(old han reform)
because china not Restoration amry dont train amry ?

same ex age 4 vs age 4 china not upgrade old han reform and need upgrade unit ckn and pike can fight = in game true

[Mr. Pecksniff]

But if were being faithful to historical accuracy here, then Chinas backwardness in military technology should be built into the game.

no ex age 5 vs age 4??
same ex age 4 vs age 4 china not upgrade old han
because china not?Restoration amry dont train amry ?

Tbh it wasnt until well beyond the Imperial Age (I.e. age 5) that china was able to fully modernize its armed forces.

The same thing is depicted in the game with the ottomans, whose late-game weakness reflects their empires later decline,

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u understand?
in history?
china slow = game ff
china age2 at5.00 min and need ff age3 ?
same history
and if Restoration amry (old han reform)

ex brit and japan rush and age 3 ff

ottman iro russia can rush fast . and china start age2 at 5.00 min

china will lose rush lose eco lose house?

rush = lose eco lose village

lose house? china age 2 have 2 house (china house have full6 but 1 house use 200 wood so so huss+musk can atk house and rush hard) or eng have more pop in world history ??? lol fail

china india ottman have more pop in world history ( eng can build 1 house = 1village so 20 house = 20village (2000food op fail history))

age 3 maybe good but it lose eco lose house and lose village? age 3 = lose

[Mr. Pecksniff]

I'm sorry but I kinda lost track of what you were saying there.

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I'm sorry can't use English
i say = game = history?
u say = fail game?
i say game = china need ff
history = china need ff but if vs brit = old han reform ok
china slow age = after Kangxi Emperor = other Emperor and Empress Dowager Cixi don't upgrade all army. don't care don't interesting army ??? ok understand ?

[blasdg]

man, we understand it. You want more historical accuracy but we dont like it. So just STOP your nonsense and dont spam your emperor kangxi shit in every thread.

[[Armag] diarouga]

man, we understand it. You want more historical accuracy but we dont like it. So just STOP your nonsense and dont spam your emperor kangxi shit in every thread.

Yeah we don''t really care about history, we just want a fair game. Otherwise TWC civs would suck and euro civ would be op which isn''t true.

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man, we understand it. You want more historical accuracy but we dont like it. So just STOP your nonsense and dont spam your emperor kangxi shit in every thread.

Yeah we dont really care about history, we just want a fair game. Otherwise TWC civs would suck and euro civ would be op which isnt true.

I want fair game but Le Dragon . he pick wiki brit vs china? it late history . same ww2 vs ww1?

[lemmings121]

These are the changes I would propose. I think the best way to do it would be to have very small changes and see how the game feels after those changes are applied. Also limit the amount of civilizations which get changed. You won''t get good balance if you change all civilizations at once. It''s also much more interesting to have civilizations retain their uniqueness.

Iroq :
- Remove starting travois or other starting crate

Otto :
- Boost economy -> boost silk road shipment // remove the villager limit tech they have
- Nerf units

Ports :
- 90f villagers

Dutch :
- Decrease cost of Banks, give slightly more XP

Sioux :
- Boost economy -> slightly faster villagers
- Nerf units

General changes :
Schooners - Fishing boats cost 70w, + dock wagon
Crossbows - Slightly higher multiplier vs HI
Musketeer type units - Small nerf to ranged attack

Thats a great start.
Maybe I would make iro choose between fast up or travois up like aztec, other then that, 100% good patch.
Wish something could actually be done, instead of we just dreaming...

Imo a patch has to de made oficial, or not made at all... A fp divides to much a already small community...

[iNcog]

Well there's no way in hell it'll be done officially.

If it is done officially, the changes will be crappy.

[Marco1698]

Well there''s no way in hell it''ll be done officially.

If it is done officially, the changes will be crappy.

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[momuuu]

They could officially use what we made right? Like, in terms of normal people sense, not microsoft sense of course.

[Good ol Ivan]

Why french and germans dont have schooners btw ?

Because they have Coreurs/SW.

most ideas are so extreme that im realy afraid that someday a patch will come out and make the game worse. lol

we got to thing in small changes, not reworking every civ.

you dont need to complete rework the civs, but you can change some strats up to make them more entertainable/unique.

I actually think the problem with the fan patch was that they made it with balance in mind. I think that a succesful patch always has gameplay as the core idea behind it, and then balances according to that.

+1

man, we understand it. You want more historical accuracy but we dont like it. So just STOP your nonsense and dont spam your emperor kangxi shit in every thread.

Yeah we dont really care about history, we just want a fair game. Otherwise TWC civs would suck and euro civ would be op which isnt true.

I do care.
And actually that is true, you just dont see the game beyond high level play in sup 1v1s.
TWC civs start with more options through colonial/fortress (16th-17th centuries), but their eco fall behinds eventually through mid and late game.
But at the end of the day the game is only loosely based on history so whatever.

[Mimsy for President]

Why french and germans dont have schooners btw ?

Because they have Coreurs/SW.

so what ? you know brit outbooms french and germans on land ?

[Good ol Ivan]

Because they have Coreurs/SW.

so what ? you know brit outbooms french and germans on land ?

Both have an eco eco as far as I care. Plus France is ok and Germany is above average as it is.
Besides both have a strong late game eco anyway.
So why the fuck do you care.

[momuuu]

Well the germans didnt have much of a navy for sure, and I dont think the french navy was that great. So it probably makes some sense history wise to not give those civs the best water potential.

[Mimsy for President]

Well the germans didnt have much of a navy for sure, and I dont think the french navy was that great. So it probably makes some sense history wise to not give those civs the best water potential.

I didn''t even mention History because if this game was historically accurate, French would be the best civ in the game next to Brit, Otto and Russia.
French Navy was the 2nd best next to the British Royal Navy which clearly dominated everything as Intel does vs AMD today (awkward comparison idc). I mean losing vs the best doesn''t make you a sh*t.

@ivan
I fucking care because French - and to a lesser extent Germans - have no chance vs. "schooners civs" on certain maps maps such as Hispaniola, Indochina or Indonesia.

Besides both have a strong late game eco anyway.

Yeah no shit Sherlock, like 100% of the civs.