Worst matchup in the game

[dansil92]

I love the quantity of salt on this thread. It is magnificent

[Blastkiller]

For the following civs and to my knowledge (there is impossible MUs I don't know about for sure). I am only confident for Russia vs Otto and Otto vs Germany.
China : ...
Japan : ...
India : ...
Aztec : ...
Iro : maybe Brit but I am not sure
Sioux : ...
Spain : India, Germany
Otto : Sioux, Germany
Dutch : Germany
France : ...
Germany : ...
Brit : ...
Port : ...
Russia : Otto

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the counter of russia is germany and maybe also french instead for me i think the brit but it depends on what it does

[bwinner]

For the following civs and to my knowledge (there is impossible MUs I don't know about for sure). I am only confident for Russia vs Otto and Otto vs Germany.
China : ...
Japan : ...
India : ...
Aztec : ...
Iro : maybe Brit but I am not sure
Sioux : ...
Spain : India, Germany
Otto : Sioux, Germany
Dutch : Germany
France : ...
Germany : ...
Brit : ...
Port : ...
Russia : Otto

the counter of russia is germany and maybe also french instead for me i think the brit but it depends on what it does

brit and fr are definitly not counters to russia wtf. russia wins both of this MU Imo.
ger probably wins but it's playable for russia.
with otto on the other side, if you are using the right plan, you can't really lose vs russia

[dansil92]

Idk, i remember a umeu game on siberia where he abused brit grens vs russia in an epic base trade and nuked a strel mass with grens and a huss snare...

[[Armag] diarouga]

Idk, i remember a umeu game on siberia where he abused brit grens vs russia in an epic base trade and nuked a strel mass with grens and a huss snare...

Lol

Spain vs Dutch is rather close btw.

[Shikari]

Dutch vs Japan imo.

[Astaroth]

Is Dutch vs Jap that bad?

FB with 8 pike and skirm pressure plus sieging shrines seems pretty good. Sure, if he goes like Nagi all in, that can be bad, but Dutch can scout that, adapt and be fine VS low eco Japan.

As Japan its kind of hard to defend shrines early on vs age2 skirms. Yumis don't actually win without ups or daimyo and leaving base vs huss can be risky.

Obviously Dutch will have a horrible time if they just bot boom in base into ruyter/skirm vs kami/port cons, because then Jap will have better eco and better units, but that shouldn't happen.

In that recent tournament game Hazza won, but it would've been less one sided if the defense and timing (MM plus huss etc) had been better. Also, Hazza is prolly a better player.

Dutch can even go for a heavy ruyter/falc push in mid fortress. Dutch have a fairly hard time VS mass cannons, even with yabusame (which require time).

[[Armag] diarouga]

Dutch vs Japan imo.

Bad for who?

[Garja]

It's sort of bad for Dutch but there is worse.
It's hard to find a really crap MU on EP on any map.

[bwinner]

It's sort of bad for Dutch but there is worse.
It's hard to find a really crap MU on EP on any map.

I don't think the goal was to find something unplayble on any map, cuz then you can always at least have a chance either on no TP, water, 5 TP or standard I guess.
I understood the thread as talking about standard map only (either if we can pick a specific map, otto vs jap on thar desert is the most one sidded I can think of).

[[Armag] diarouga]

I think Dutch vs Jap is 50/50

[Youssef]

i would say, azzy vs sioux in safe tp map, just no way to win as azzy.

I think this mu is so easy to aztec.I always do 3v 700w 600g 10 9 with double warhut puma spam. They dont have mm to kill pumas, so u can siege everything very fast and u will have a lot of xp to keep spamming with crates and vills shipment.

As azzy I think brit, spain and france are the worst mu

[Hawk_Girl]

i would say, azzy vs sioux in safe tp map, just no way to win as azzy.

I think this mu is so easy to aztec.I always do 3v 700w 600g 10 9 with double warhut puma spam. They dont have mm to kill pumas, so u can siege everything very fast and u will have a lot of xp to keep spamming with crates and vills shipment.

As azzy I think brit, spain and france are the worst mu

if sioux just scouts 700w first and esp agro fb he just cetan in tepees which shit on that no?

[Youssef]

i would say, azzy vs sioux in safe tp map, just no way to win as azzy.

I think this mu is so easy to aztec.I always do 3v 700w 600g 10 9 with double warhut puma spam. They dont have mm to kill pumas, so u can siege everything very fast and u will have a lot of xp to keep spamming with crates and vills shipment.

As azzy I think brit, spain and france are the worst mu

if sioux just scouts 700w first and esp agro fb he just cetan in tepees which shit on that no?

ye, it should counter, but isn't easy for sioux cause 20 pumas siege very fast the teepees and after 20 pumas and 19 mace timing aztec can train some coyo with 700f or 5v

[stanleywinston]

aztec japan? no?

[deleted_user0]

aztec japan? no?

I think every single MU in this game is the worst for you Mr. BOTLEY LOSETON

[stanleywinston]

aztec japan? no?

I think every single MU in this game is the worst for you Mr. BOTLEY LOSETON

wow :(

[princeofkabul]

stanley winston mirror is pretty balanced though

[Challenger_Marco]

Garja Vs Treasures worst match up ever.....

[[Armag] diarouga]

aztec japan? no?

It's bad but not that bad tbh.

[rsy]

aztec japan? no?

I think every single MU in this game is the worst for you Mr. BOTLEY LOSETON

Stanleys fucking cool don't u daretalk shit about hi

[deleted_user]

Imagine hating the creator, founder of ESOC

[jesus3]

There seems to be a lot of hate towards the creators nowadays. Stanley being attacked, Garja banned from tourneys for rightfully dropping cocky mortals

[deleted_user]

I want to say Spain vs Dutch, bad for Dutch

Its only cause most of the people make 5 banks they can't defend instead of max 3 and actually hold the push....

True, I beat piro in this MU recently with 3 banks and not losing one.

I probably would've lost it on EP tho.

[deleted_user]

Port vs Sioux is the most hopeless match up in the game, there is like nothing sioux can do against ports