disapontment post

[spanky4ever]

Trolling is like bullying. It's not a nice thing to do, but the one being bullied almost always plays a role there too. Just shrug it off, that's what an adult would do. And I find it extremely hard to believe that spanky did not do anything to provoke this sort of reaction, given her track record.

hmm. What is that track record? And do you have anything to underline your speculations? other than pure speculations

[Papist]

Wtf is a slur anyway, a word? Thank fuck I live in a historical age when I can destroy someone by just saying a word, lmao. Also, thank you baby jesus for living in an age in which meekness, offence-taking and moral conformism are the norm.

>TED talks
lol

If you exist for the sole purpose of making other people upset, you will be thrown out. If that bothers you, go create your own platform. Honestly, this "I have an absolute right to harass people on a platform I don't own or pay for, and anyone who has a problem with that is a snowflake" argument is getting really tiresome.

[Dolan]

Is that what you understood from my arguments? Lol.

I wasn't arguing to defend online harassment, I was arguing against this mentality of asking to be taken care of by some other authority (let me make it as literal as possible for you: mods). As if you are completely helpless and only some other authority can fix things for you.

[princeofcarthage]

@Goodspeed You are misunderstanding me, I don't support bullying or trolling and I say on record that strictest possible action should be taken against such people. My only point is that it might (MIGHT) be easier to ignore bullying online than in real life. However as I already said ignoring is not the solution and the bully should be taught a lesson.

[spanky4ever]

Tbh, @Dolan never call ppl names, and I have to respect him for that. He has some posts that annoy me, and I am super not on board with them, but he is never insulting.
And he usually has good arguments for his points of view (even though I think he makes some, just to get the arguments going )
That is a big difference though, and I do think Dolan makes this forum "interesting" and worthwhile to visit. I mean, I can be super annoyed by him, sometimes, and super disagreeing, But still -- If we are not to sit in an echo chamber, but want to interact with ppl who can give us a different angle of any issues, Dolan will certainly help you with that.

The problem I have, is the random trash talk, the name-calling, the racist and sexist slurs going on, uncontested in the twitch chat.

[Papist]

Is that what you understood from my arguments? Lol.

I wasn't arguing to defend online harassment, I was arguing against this mentality of asking to be taken care of by some other authority (let me make it as literal as possible for you: mods). As if you are completely helpless and only some other authority can fix things for you.

The only people who can in fact ban the trolls are the mods. Nobody is asking to be "taken care of".

[rnmrtzk]

@Dolan of course you are not for the freedom of harassment... that would be dumb... but as you know this trolling and bullying thing isn't something that is just happening between offender and victim... there is also the specator's perspective (let me make it as literal as possible for you: you )... as a spectator you can just watch and don't care. And yeah, why should you care? You have no real relationship with the victim. But if you believe in community then I guess staying neutral isn't so easy anymore. What I want to say: Your stand-alone-mentality is proliferating trolling on a structural level. But I guess you would deny it, because for you communities and institutions are sth. artificial. And perhaps you are right. But even sth. artifical has real effects: "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"

But you know, @spanky4ever is right you are a really active member (unlike me xD) who is in this community

[evilcheadar]

Is that what you understood from my arguments? Lol.

I wasn't arguing to defend online harassment, I was arguing against this mentality of asking to be taken care of by some other authority (let me make it as literal as possible for you: mods). As if you are completely helpless and only some other authority can fix things for you.

The only people who can in fact ban the trolls are the mods. Nobody is asking to be "taken care of".

Why did you stop being mod

[Goodspeed]

@Goodspeed You are misunderstanding me, I don't support bullying or trolling and I say on record that strictest possible action should be taken against such people. My only point is that it might (MIGHT) be easier to ignore bullying online than in real life. However as I already said ignoring is not the solution and the bully should be taught a lesson.

I wasn't replying specifically to you. You weren't the only one who made the point that online bullying is easy to ignore, your post just happened to be the last one before mine.
Anyway, you didn't use the word "might" in that post.

[Sargsyan]

but online trolling is really easier to ignore, for instance sir musket is numb to tederes trolls

[Goodspeed]

Being frequently insulted has the same effect on the internet as in real life: It makes you question your self-worth. If people insult you often, you might start to think something is wrong with you. And that kind of thought can have lasting effects on a person. Words on a screen are words on a screen, and words spoken are words spoken, but they carry weight all the same.

I think this varies per personality and temperament types. I really doubt this is the case for everyone, no matter the context.

Hence the word "might". Some people have thicker skin than others. My post wasn't about any specific person, though, it was about the potential effects of online bullying.

And since most gamers and people who "socialise online" are typically shy nerds, introverted types, of course they are most likely to agree with you, because what you're describing speaks to their own issues. But that doesn't mean it necessarily applies to the population at large. If you really can't see a clear difference between real life and internet chats, there's nothing I could rationally explain to you that you would eventually agree with. Because this is not about reason, it's about emotionally charged subjects.

Did I say there was no difference? My point was that words carry weight, no matter through which medium they are expressed.

There's no real threat behind mere words on a screen, especially when they're written by some anon who doesn't know you at all. Whereas in real life, there's a physical proximity which can indeed create a potential for real threat. That's almost always missing in online chats, where there's no actual real threat and people really don't know you.

There doesn't have to be a physical threat. This is why I mentioned how being frequently insulted can lead to a diminished sense of self-worth; it's an example to illustrate that the lack of a physical threat doesn't make it harmless.

Oh come on, this is an exaggeration. The number of people from this site who actually met in real life is a minority. And no, simply exchanging replies on a forum or in a Twitch chat does not really make you "part of a community". Sadly in this century, lots of people think that's the case, because that's what they grew up with. They're "in the matrix", so to speak. And that's actually undermining their social skills, because it breeds this mentality that they don't have to socialise much in real life, online socialisation is enough, lol. It keeps them captive in their comfort zone.

The people here who have met up is a minority, yes. In a physical community, the people who show up at town hall meetings are an even smaller minority. Some people are more engaged than others. If you're not really invested and you're being bullied, then yeah, it's easier to leave. But if that's your only point, I'm not sure it was worth making.

We have a very deformed concept of what a community is in this time frame, lol. It's been deformed by more than one decade of the so-called "social web" (web 2.0).

That is the position of someone who lives in the past, and thinks any change is inherently wrong. Our concept of community has changed with the internet. I feel much closer to people on this site than to people in my physical "community" (neighbourhood), of which I've met only a few. And is that surprising? No. People here are closer to my age, share many of my interests, and I've even known them longer. Why would it be "deformed" to form communities not based on proximity but based on shared interests?

Maybe you really do just see words on a screen. Most of us see people, communicating.

[Kaiserklein]

I mean, would it be super hard to just put the games that are going to be streamed, on the front page (down in the right corner)?

Do you realize we've explained around 10 times that the event schedule is broken

[spanky4ever]

I mean, would it be super hard to just put the games that are going to be streamed, on the front page (down in the right corner)?

Do you realize we've explained around 10 times that the event schedule is broken

did not realize the 10 times. But if it's broken, who can fix it? I mean, that is pretty sad, if nobody could repair something that is broken - for suck a long period of time. I cannot understand that, at all. I guess it will be fixed before the next grand tournament, ez

[Kaiserklein]

No idea, I'm not in the dev team. All I know is displaying the upcoming games down in the right corner of the front page is currently impossible.

[Sargsyan]

as far as I'm aware that problem is related to twitch so no need to yell at esoc for that

[The_Lastsamurai]

dam this thread is still going?

[Kaiserklein]

I really don't see how the schedule could be related to twitch. I think it's related to the calendar though, so that would be google I guess

[Mr_Bramboy]

@spanky4ever i know how disappointing it can be for you with the TWC tournament. But you need to think about what happened behind everything. The whole team is working without a payment and try there best!
I know out of my own experience how much work it is to keep a lot of content coming. Please do not blame the esoc team. It's making me really sad to read this from you. I hope you try to understand what happens behind or ask gentle questions why things are not in the way you would like to see things. Or help maybe for a few days and you will see what the media team has to do.

For the twitch chat you might be right. I'm not following streams atm. Out of my experience, stuff like this can always happen on the Internet. Don't let it come close to you. It's the best way to deal with it and ignore them.

You are right, I was really angry when I made this thread. I do appreciate the staff who work without any pay, but still, I am disappointed in how little announcement it has gotten. I mean, would it be super hard to just put the games that are going to be streamed, on the front page (down in the right corner)?

As we have reiterated multiple times in this thread, the calendar is broken. This means we cannot put games on the list in the bottom right corner. I do not know how to make this more clear to you than it already is.

This has been an issue for a month and although the developers have been looking at it, they are not perfect either and we've not found the solution yet. Right now we're looking at alternative methods to announce tournament games to the public, but in the real world things aren't solved in an instant. Patience is a virtue!

[Papist]

Is that what you understood from my arguments? Lol.

I wasn't arguing to defend online harassment, I was arguing against this mentality of asking to be taken care of by some other authority (let me make it as literal as possible for you: mods). As if you are completely helpless and only some other authority can fix things for you.

The only people who can in fact ban the trolls are the mods. Nobody is asking to be "taken care of".

Why did you stop being mod

Too many irl responsibilities. I'm a full-time student, have a part-time job, and am seriously involved with two clubs. Between that and trying to maintain my social life, there really isn't time for AoE. It was actually a big enough distraction that when I got a new laptop this summer, I purposefully got a Mac so I couldn't install it.

I feel sort of bad that I left so soon after being reinstated as mod but it was better than going afk again imo.

[Kaiserklein]

Ahhh that's why we're not getting OOSed anymore

[fightinfrenchman]

@Papist Quit the clubs, ESOC more important

[Riotcoke]

@Papist Don't quit the clubs.

[evilcheadar]

Well I did full time school, had a part time job, did sport, host basement games and still was able to be on the forums almost constantly.

[evilcheadar]

Along with telethon work!

[Dolan]

Maybe you really do just see words on a screen. Most of us see people, communicating.

It's communication, of course, but it lacks any physical rapport. It's virtualised. That's the case for most online communities. Yeah, I know, I'm not saying we should go back to the past, lol, but that doesn't mean I don't know things have changed and that this will have an impact on people's psyche (ie, socialising online without physical rapport). I mean, is porn chatting sex? The virtual has transformed other people into images, lol.