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I feel like rushing is your best shot in most MUs where the opponent just gets a decent skirm/goon mass later on, otherwise you're just gonna get kited forever.
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Lukas_L99 wrote:I feel like rushing is your best shot in most MUs where the opponent just gets a decent skirm/goon mass later on, otherwise you're just gonna get kited forever.
You have a scary timing in early/later fortress though. Rushing against 2 TCs with MM sounds like suicide.
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Do you really have a scary early timing tho? WP ff is already slower than regular euro FFs and you need to upgrade mace/coy.
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Lukas_L99 wrote:Do you really have a scary early timing tho? WP ff is already slower than regular euro FFs and you need to upgrade mace/coy.
Yea, you do have a small window where you outmass hard.
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flontier wrote:Its tough to interpret, it mainly shows that in average people plays spain against lower opponent except in some ez mu like spain port and spain dutch.

At the contrary people need to have 1.5-2 pr margin against brit or china to feel confident enough ^^.
Spain dutch ez win for dutch. I come from 2021.
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Could you do a version for PR 20-27? Would be interesting to compare.
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You realize that's also quite the skill gap, right
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jesus3 wrote:You realize that's also quite the skill gap, right
Yeah, but I'd say players at that rank aren't randomly button mashing, so it might be useful. And yes, I know I'm not good lol.
Squamiger wrote:i just want to see a group of Sioux villagers. they are circled around a gold mine. They are swinging picks... but zoom in closer. What's that? They aren't mining gold. There is a huge pile of beavers and they are beating them to death
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caleb15 wrote:
jesus3 wrote:You realize that's also quite the skill gap, right
Yeah, but I'd say players at that rank aren't randomly button mashing, so it might be useful. And yes, I know I'm not good lol.
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caleb15 wrote:Could you do a version for PR 20-27? Would be interesting to compare.
Send me a message if you want.
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Random question but I assume that this raw data came from somewhere?

Could someone share the link or how to access it? I really do like this type of analysis :)
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purplesquid wrote:Random question but I assume that this raw data came from somewhere?

Could someone share the link or how to access it? I really do like this type of analysis :)
I have scrapped from esoc elo and you can found the data here :
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19708
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chronique wrote:
purplesquid wrote:Random question but I assume that this raw data came from somewhere?

Could someone share the link or how to access it? I really do like this type of analysis :)
I have scrapped from esoc elo and you can found the data here :
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19708
Thank you!
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WickedCossack wrote:
flontier wrote:Its tough to interpret, it mainly shows that in average people plays spain against lower opponent except in some ez mu like spain port and spain dutch.

At the contrary people need to have 1.5-2 pr margin against brit or china to feel confident enough ^^.
Spain dutch ez win for dutch. I come from 2021.
bUt i nEeD 5 bAnKs
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WickedCossack wrote:
Spain dutch ez win for dutch. I come from 2021.
Are you the guy who hold falc all in with cav + vili ^^
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chronique wrote:
WickedCossack wrote:
Spain dutch ez win for dutch. I come from 2021.
Are you the guy who hold falc all in with cav + vili ^^
Yes, he is. And it works surprisingly well.
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First time someone doing that to me lol. I have expected an ez win but not in this way.
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chronique wrote:First time someone doing that to me lol. I have expected an ez win but not in this way.
It's amazing how many cool builds dutch have when you realise you don't need to 5 bank FF every time. :P I enjoyed the game, love the MU.
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WickedCossack wrote: It's amazing how many cool builds dutch have when you realise you don't need to 5 bank FF every time. :P I enjoyed the game, love the MU.
And after that game i have re-play vs a dutch guy and wouldn't do agro ff because of you, so i have lose vs ff 5 bank... pls can you leave this game i want my 65% winrate intact vs dutch lol .
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chronique wrote:
WickedCossack wrote: It's amazing how many cool builds dutch have when you realise you don't need to 5 bank FF every time. :P I enjoyed the game, love the MU.
And after that game i have re-play vs a dutch guy and wouldn't do agro ff because of you, so i have lose vs ff 5 bank... pls can you leave this game i want my 65% winrate intact vs dutch lol .
Make agro ff great again!!!!
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other interesting stats are the difference between rush games and long games.

for brits vs french i got these results.

< 20min : 47%
20-40min : 48%
> 40min : 33%

If you want to win with brits against french don't wait until age 5 :smile:
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nice charts, but are the data across multiple EPs or just the most recent? @chronique
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for brits vs germans i got these results.

< 20min : 47%
20-40min : 46%
> 40min : 53%

So if you try to beat germans with brits your chances increase in age 5.
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vividlyplain wrote:nice charts, but are the data across multiple EPs or just the most recent? @chronique
Since the begining of esoc elo so 2015. I can do the same for each patch (if i know the date of each one).
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Wipo82 wrote:other interesting stats are the difference between rush games and long games.

for brits vs french i got these results.

< 20min : 47%
20-40min : 48%
> 40min : 33%

If you want to win with brits against french don't wait until age 5 :smile:
I have do that with china and if i remember well, their winrate increased after 12/13 min (maybe you can confirm).

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