impossible MU ??
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impossible MU ??
Some peaple have asking, "what is the worst mu" so i have did some stat arround that.
I have selected the 14 worst mu in term of winrate for pr 28+ games (why 14 you asking? because there are 14 civ so i have arbitrary select 14).
This table is pretty ez to read, Aztec won 13 games and lost 26 vs portuguese, it result a 33/66 rate, and overall Aztec player have +0.6 more PR when they face portuguese.
I know, this is not an awnser to the question, but i still thinking than it's valuable to know that. If peaple want, i can give the same table for each specific civ and for any pr limit.
I have selected the 14 worst mu in term of winrate for pr 28+ games (why 14 you asking? because there are 14 civ so i have arbitrary select 14).
This table is pretty ez to read, Aztec won 13 games and lost 26 vs portuguese, it result a 33/66 rate, and overall Aztec player have +0.6 more PR when they face portuguese.
I know, this is not an awnser to the question, but i still thinking than it's valuable to know that. If peaple want, i can give the same table for each specific civ and for any pr limit.
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lol someone flamed me for choosing ports vs azzy on RE. guess they were right?
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i want this with spain onlychronique wrote:Some peaple have asking, "what is the worst mu" so i have did some stat arround that.
I have selected the 14 worst mu in term of winrate for pr 28+ games (why 14 you asking? because there are 14 civ so i have arbitrary select 14).
This table is pretty ez to read, Aztec won 13 games and lost 26 vs portuguese, it result a 33/66 rate, and overall Aztec player have +0.6 more PR when they face portuguese.
I know, this is not an awnser to the question, but i still thinking than it's valuable to know that. If peaple want, i can give the same table for each specific civ and for any pr limit.
if u can make it :-)
pr28+
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Re: impossible MU ??
1.Aztec vs Port is indeed rather hopeless. There are so nice surprising strats though.
2. It's a surprise honestly, this MU is Dutch favoured unless it's a big ATP/water maps. I guess the -0.9 pr and the map pool explain it.
3. Makes sense
4. Makes sense
5. Makes sense on EP 7 where Sioux is crap
6. That's because the Dutch players don't know how to beat Aztecs, but I'm really not surprised.
7. Bad MU for Otto yea
8. That's because @bwinner can't win this MU.
9. WHAT THE FUCK ??? It's the opposite lol. I guess -2 pr explains it, and the fact that you picked pr28+ and not pr35+
10. Makes sense.
11. Again, this is brit favoured. I guess people don't know how to play brit.
12. This is a rather fair MU but -1.5 pr
13. Makes sense
14. Makes sense
Thanks for your stats, it's quite interesting.
2. It's a surprise honestly, this MU is Dutch favoured unless it's a big ATP/water maps. I guess the -0.9 pr and the map pool explain it.
3. Makes sense
4. Makes sense
5. Makes sense on EP 7 where Sioux is crap
6. That's because the Dutch players don't know how to beat Aztecs, but I'm really not surprised.
7. Bad MU for Otto yea
8. That's because @bwinner can't win this MU.
9. WHAT THE FUCK ??? It's the opposite lol. I guess -2 pr explains it, and the fact that you picked pr28+ and not pr35+
10. Makes sense.
11. Again, this is brit favoured. I guess people don't know how to play brit.
12. This is a rather fair MU but -1.5 pr
13. Makes sense
14. Makes sense
Thanks for your stats, it's quite interesting.
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With CM shipped and Tc´s in base its really hard to win for azzy but dunno how WP ff works vs port.iNcog wrote:lol someone flamed me for choosing ports vs azzy on RE. guess they were right?
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Re: impossible MU ??
@[Armag] diarouga You need to know than brit have always less pr overall vs his opponenet.
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Re: impossible MU ??
WP ff works quite well. In fact, it's the only way to play this MU on no water maps, but Port can counter it.Rohbrot wrote:With CM shipped and Tc´s in base its really hard to win for azzy but dunno how WP ff works vs port.iNcog wrote:lol someone flamed me for choosing ports vs azzy on RE. guess they were right?
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lol this shows that all MU´s are even with spain can this be true?chronique wrote:@[Armag] diarouga You need to know than brit have always less pr overall vs his opponenet.
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Its tough to interpret, it mainly shows that in average people plays spain against lower opponent except in some ez mu like spain port and spain dutch.
At the contrary people need to have 1.5-2 pr margin against brit or china to feel confident enough ^^.
At the contrary people need to have 1.5-2 pr margin against brit or china to feel confident enough ^^.
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dunno how this stats shows that the worst MU for spain is vs germans when they dont have 2 falcschronique wrote:@[Armag] diarouga You need to know than brit have always less pr overall vs his opponenet.
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how so?[Armag] diarouga wrote:WP ff works quite well. In fact, it's the only way to play this MU on no water maps, but Port can counter it.Rohbrot wrote:With CM shipped and Tc´s in base its really hard to win for azzy but dunno how WP ff works vs port.iNcog wrote:lol someone flamed me for choosing ports vs azzy on RE. guess they were right?
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Re: impossible MU ??
Yea porto vs all rush civ looks pretty insane.
British : basicly -1 pr in all mu, explain a lot of winrate. As we can see, brit hard counter spain so hard with 55% winrate and -1.5 pr.
British : basicly -1 pr in all mu, explain a lot of winrate. As we can see, brit hard counter spain so hard with 55% winrate and -1.5 pr.
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Yeah i did the wrong strat vs you when i went for musk rush xDchronique wrote:Yea porto vs all rush civ looks pretty insane.
British : basicly -1 pr in all mu, explain a lot of winrate. As we can see, brit hard counter spain so hard with 55% winrate and -1.5 pr.
best it would be to go semi ff as brits aswell and just winning with better eco
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Re: impossible MU ??
How what ? How can port counter it ?iNcog wrote:how so?[Armag] diarouga wrote:WP ff works quite well. In fact, it's the only way to play this MU on no water maps, but Port can counter it.Show hidden quotes
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Or just boom like a retard because i cant do anything before 8 min, and after that make musket / cav from 2 rax/1stable and outmass.
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I've just checked, my win winrate is 50% in this MU, so no I am not biaising the stats+I don't see why I would specifically lose this MU so much that I biaise the overall stats and not do the same for any other matches. I am not playing otto vs Aztec all day long.[Armag] diarouga wrote:1.Aztec vs Port is indeed rather hopeless. There are so nice surprising strats though.
2. It's a surprise honestly, this MU is Dutch favoured unless it's a big ATP/water maps. I guess the -0.9 pr and the map pool explain it.
3. Makes sense
4. Makes sense
5. Makes sense on EP 7 where Sioux is crap
6. That's because the Dutch players don't know how to beat Aztecs, but I'm really not surprised.
7. Bad MU for Otto yea
8. That's because @bwinner can't win this MU.
9. WHAT THE FUCK ??? It's the opposite lol. I guess -2 pr explains it, and the fact that you picked pr28+ and not pr35+
10. Makes sense.
11. Again, this is brit favoured. I guess people don't know how to play brit.
12. This is a rather fair MU but -1.5 pr
13. Makes sense
14. Makes sense
Thanks for your stats, it's quite interesting.
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yeah. I dont quite see how port is a counter civ but I understand my knowledge isnt there[Armag] diarouga wrote:How what ? How can port counter it ?iNcog wrote:how so?Show hidden quotes
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And then you're age 3 vs goon/cass with crappy mace/erk/coy and can never engage without losing almost all your coy[Armag] diarouga wrote:WP ff works quite well. In fact, it's the only way to play this MU on no water maps, but Port can counter it.Rohbrot wrote:With CM shipped and Tc´s in base its really hard to win for azzy but dunno how WP ff works vs port.iNcog wrote:lol someone flamed me for choosing ports vs azzy on RE. guess they were right?
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Re: impossible MU ??
Yes, that's why I said Port can counter it. It works quite well still, I'm confident I can beat pr35 dutch players in this MU with wp ff.Lukas_L99 wrote:And then you're age 3 vs goon/cass with crappy mace/erk/coy and can never engage without losing almost all your coy[Armag] diarouga wrote:WP ff works quite well. In fact, it's the only way to play this MU on no water maps, but Port can counter it.Show hidden quotes
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Dutch or port?[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yes, that's why I said Port can counter it. It works quite well still, I'm confident I can beat pr35 dutch players in this MU with wp ff.Lukas_L99 wrote:And then you're age 3 vs goon/cass with crappy mace/erk/coy and can never engage without losing almost all your coyShow hidden quotes
But yeah, ofc you can beat pr35 guys with builds that aren't optimal, a rush might work as well.
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Re: impossible MU ??
you should try lukas moesbar build vs dutch. Vs ports at least with your merc cards your units are better late age3 but thats about it[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yes, that's why I said Port can counter it. It works quite well still, I'm confident I can beat pr35 dutch players in this MU with wp ff.Lukas_L99 wrote:And then you're age 3 vs goon/cass with crappy mace/erk/coy and can never engage without losing almost all your coyShow hidden quotes
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Actually new cassa overkills af against mace erk
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Who cares if they overkill when they just hit and run forever and kill 50% of your units before you can do relevant damage tho
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Re: impossible MU ??
Port of course, I mistyped.Lukas_L99 wrote:Dutch or port?[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yes, that's why I said Port can counter it. It works quite well still, I'm confident I can beat pr35 dutch players in this MU with wp ff.Show hidden quotes
But yeah, ofc you can beat pr35 guys with builds that aren't optimal, a rush might work as well.
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Re: impossible MU ??
Rush doesn't work against pr35 Port honestly. It's so easy to hold.Lukas_L99 wrote:Dutch or port?[Armag] diarouga wrote:Yes, that's why I said Port can counter it. It works quite well still, I'm confident I can beat pr35 dutch players in this MU with wp ff.Show hidden quotes
But yeah, ofc you can beat pr35 guys with builds that aren't optimal, a rush might work as well.
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