musk/huss vs skirm/goon micro?

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musk/huss vs skirm/goon micro?

Post by Kap_AOE3 »

or better said, what combo is harder to micromanage? I find Musk-huss harder but maybe because im just pr25 and at my level lots of things are still a little bit hard to do.
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Post by [Armag] diarouga »

Skirm/goon is slightly harder because you need to hit and run with both groups. With musk/huss, you need a good positioning, but you just a move the huss, and then hit and then go forward with musks (so you only need to control one group).
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Musk huss is generally easier as all you need to do is make sure hussar keep engaged for the most part and musketeer keep running up and shooting. Meanwhile skirm goon requires kiting both units and making sure that their pathing doesn't fk up.

In practice however well controlled skirm/goon usually tends to win as you can pick off units from range and you can disengage a fight more easily (i.e. at lesser expense). Also goons don't die too bad vs musk.
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Re: musk/huss vs skirm/goon micro?

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Imo hardest thing for musk huss is the initial engage, positioning, trapping. If you don't do that well, the opponent will just forever kite you and you lose lots of units for free.

From my own lowly experience, musk huss seems difficult at first, because the basic hit and run of skirms is quite easy to do in comparison. But once you get proper positioning, trapping, engaging and some basic cav micro down, skirm goon becomes more difficult because you constantly need to keep moving, hit and run, pulltrick.
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I don't "a mouv" when i microing mousket cav, if my opponenet kite, you need to kite as well with your own cav (maybe no need to to that every 3 sec, so you can focus more on your mousket, like diarouga said)

To me skirm goon is harder for physical reason, i have always found than kitting "in" is much ez than kitting "out" just because i positioning my army at the bottom of my screen.
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Astaroth wrote:Imo hardest thing for musk huss is the initial engage.
Yes, I find difficult the first engage too. I lose a lot of units as you say.
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both very easy compared to the complexities of changdao/meteor micro
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Post by RefluxSemantic »

Skirm goon for sure. Optimal skirm/goon micro probably means splitting up like the aoe2 ai can do. You also ideally focus musks with skirms and cav with goons. This is all almost physically impossible for humans, the skill ceiling is actually extremely high here.

Not that musk huss is super easy, and I also dont want to say that skirm goon is always hard (in mirrors its quite easy), but in the particular scenario of skirm/goon vs musk/huss skirm goon is way harder.
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Generally skirm/goon beats musk/huss. But stronger musk/huss combo (e.g. naginata+ashigaru) can win too.
And you need more goon and less skirm in your army; if you have mass skirm but not enough anti-cav, you lose.

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