Is Kaiserklein clearly the best player on ESOC right now?

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I've been following the current tournament as well as the last couple, and with the exception of the LAN tournament, Kaiserklein has seemed to spank almost every single person he faces. He's been defeating some the best players 5-0 or 4-1 in the current season.

When I listen to him cast, his vast knowledge of the game is also evident. He's also 100+ ELO points ahead of the second rated player. I think it's clear that he's currently the best player at the moment and everyone else is competing for second.
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Not to mention the fact that he's also basically carrying his team right now...
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He's having a good run recently but ya I'd say he's currently the best but he isn't the best all the time.
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He's having a good run and others are having a not so good run. The EPL map pool and balance patch also synergize well with his TP civ playstyle.

He's the best performing player in the EPL but shouldn't be winning as hard as he is tbh. I think this is in part evidenced by his not winning a seasonal tournament yet despite being poweranked as the number 1 or 2 seed in the last several. Though when he plays bad he seems to have a higher minimum performance than his peers.

Kaiser is a very skilled caster who is able to choose the important things to point out and can explain them in a simple, short, and effective manner. I think you'd be surprised just how much game knowledge/thinking goes on in a top player's head during a match. Viewers are just uber exposed to Kaiser and he presents it well. He has a nice memory too.
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He's the best player right now I think. He has the consistency that others don't. Like myself, for example, I think I can go toe to toe (haha, get it?) with Kaiser on a good day, but sometimes I just have days where I play like a complete monkey (like today). He doesn't seem to get those days except on very rare occasions.

His playstyle is also very safe and difficult to punish. Very solid and adaptable.
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NA players suffer a find-game debuff because the competitive population on NA servers is low and too varied in skill.

I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of the rising stars are French phenoms and other EU server players who can grind more games against better opponents. This is as true for forging skills as it is in honing the edge.
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Either him or Vic. Practically a coin flip
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deleted_user wrote:NA players suffer a find-game debuff because the competitive population on NA servers is low and too varied in skill.

I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of the rising stars are French phenoms and other EU server players who can grind more games against better opponents. This is as true for forging skills as it is in honing the edge.
That's an interesting perspective. I tend to agree with Mitoe about the consistency factor which I think is often underappreciated in all competitive sports. I'd take someone that's consistent rather than someone who has a higher ceiling any day. If you consistently win by a small margin, that's better than some days getting destroyed and some days dominating your opponent, because at the end of the day, being able to consistently pull out wins in all types of situations is what separates great players.
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Yeah I smurf sometimes on Kaiser's account
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Hpc xD
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GiBthedurrty wrote:Hpc xD
Seen this a few times, I want in on this meme, too. :hmm: can someone clue me in?

Imo Kaiser is just really strong when it comes to great mechanics, good, but not flashy BOs, "meta play", good civ pool. This means he will always drop less games than players that depend more on new builds, counter strats and risky atrempts.

In contrast, quite a few other top players try greedier or new approaches, such as FI, building some fishing boats etc. This can lead to Kaiser losing to prepared strats, but at least on average he will have a better record.

Kaiser imo also plays a bit more aggressively than some other top players, often punishing their greedy builds.
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I still don't understand how kaiser manage to win the jan vs caba lancer fight game 3, i had bad sleep because of that.

Also, i understand why i am not agree with kaiser timing when we speak strategies, he is always 15 sec faster than the other.
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Astaroth wrote:
GiBthedurrty wrote:Hpc xD
Seen this a few times, I want in on this meme, too. :hmm: can someone clue me in?

Imo Kaiser is just really strong when it comes to great mechanics, good, but not flashy BOs, "meta play", good civ pool. This means he will always drop less games than players that depend more on new builds, counter strats and risky atrempts.

In contrast, quite a few other top players try greedier or new approaches, such as FI, building some fishing boats etc. This can lead to Kaiser losing to prepared strats, but at least on average he will have a better record.

Kaiser imo also plays a bit more aggressively than some other top players, often punishing their greedy builds.
I agree with the aggression factor. Although I don't think his play style is necessarily "aggressive" he is really good at timing his pushes and he's rarely indecisive. I see a lot of players get in hot water because they're indecisive with their moves whereas it seems that when Kaiser sees an opening he just attacks and doesn't second guess.
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Yes Kaiser is the best on ESO right now & yes this thread can close so his ego does not grow even further ;)
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Yeah, he has a great timing and also doesn't hesitate to adapt his build into a more aggressive gear when he sees his opponent is being greedy. Other players would often instead react more slowly or go counter greed.

Eg vs I think Lukas Aztec 2 WH build, he saw Lukas making pikes to snipe TPs, so instead of sitting back and massing abus jan as you usually would vs a dangerous early aztec mass, he just went in with 2 galleys and destroyed the fb.

Similar vs Mitoe as Jap. Normally I think you wouldn't want to aggro with jans close to jap base when you go for stagecoach yourself (danger of yumis, trap, clubs etc), but seeing Mitoe going semi FF, he didn't go back himself and siege a few shrines plus ageup, but went right for the throat.
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he reads the game like a book
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Yes
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Kaiser passed out reading this, due to lack of bloodflow to his brain, cuz of his massive wang.
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Also his curls are to die for
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Hazza tryharding is still better but that we experience once in 100 years
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Yes, I think Kaiser is at a very high level, but to stay top 1 he needs to beat the snowww in a smackdown, as inactive as Erik is, he can't beat him, even on the map micro. Not to mention that Hazza is also God level. Not to mention my return to the game.

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