Why is AoE 3 > AoE 2?

[chris1089]

You can't divide by something with unknown side in an inequality, because it might make the statement untrue.

[BrookG]

But is AOE positive or negative?

it doesn't matter, divisibility depends only if it's zero or not

[chris1089]

Not for inequalities

[BrookG]

Ah true, shit. It changes the direction

[BrookG]

Well if AoE>0, then AoE 3 > AoE 2, else if AoE<0, then AoE 3 < AoE 2

[RefluxSemantic]

Part of my choice for aoe3 has been influenced by the decisions I made as a child. I was obviously a huge noob, I played with cheats and stuff and didnt really engage with the actual game. I liked aoe3 better because you didnt need to bother with dropoff points and because you actually had unlimited gold. Also obviously the newer graphics matter (and honestly, aoe3 had amazing graphics in general).

Right now, I think the biggest reason I like aoe3 better is the technical polish it has over aoe2. I havent played DE yet, but aoe2HD was still a mess. The UI is so bad and the controls are pretty annoying too. The pathing is also pretty bad. Im missing a lot of quality of life features basically.

Secondly, I think aoe2 is too hard for me. It takes too much effort to get good enough at the macro for the game to truly become strategical. I dont want to put in all that effort. For aoe3 you just need a bit of skill and the rest seems to be strategical. I generally prefer that.

Thirdly, the graphics still play a big role for me. Aoe3 aged really well actually, while aoe2 didnt. I can pretend that I only care about gameplay, but at the end of the day I also care about the graphics.

[harcha]

Ah true, shit. It changes the direction

but that doesn't matter, what matters is that afterwards 3>2

[GiBthedurrty]

[chris1089]

If AoE != 0, then divide both sides by AoE, so 3 > 2. QΕD

Do you mean since 3 is greater than 2?

Edit: I've got it now. You mean divide AOE3 is greater than AOE2 by AOE, not divide AOE is greater than 0 by AOE.

[Goodspeed]

Ah true, shit. It changes the direction

but that doesn't matter, what matters is that afterwards 3>2

It does matter because this isn't about whether 3>2, it's about whether AoE3>AoE2

[harcha]

fair point

[BrookG]

actually it's about AoE being negative or positive

[chronique]

It's the worst use of math i have ever see.

The question is not "is aoe3 > aoe2 ?" but "why aoe3 > aoe2 ?".

Response is "aoe > 0" :p

[chris1089]

Assume this discussion takes place between AOE players. Therefore we can agree that AOE is greater than 0. 3 is greater than 2. Since AOE is positive, we can multiply by AOE giving AOE3 is greater than AOE2 as @Goodspeed requested.

[Goodspeed]

Debatable I guess. I think for me it has been a net positive, but you could make the argument that for many people it was a lot of time spent on the games in their childhood that could've been better spent.

[deleted_user]

what the fuck guys

[chris1089]

Raising the standard of the conversation

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Problems aside, Age 3 was still rated one of the best games of 2005 and sold more than two million copies—so hardly a failure, just not the mega-hit that its predecessors had been.

Many aoe2 fans hated the homecity feature and the gimmicks in the game.
Looking at financial success and the times both games were released in, aoe2>aoe3 any time of the day. Its scene is also bigger and a lot more ppl play aoe2 than aoe3. Just check Steam and Voobly.
Aoe3 is also NOT a mainline game.. it's a spinoff, same as Age of Mythology. They just declared it as a mainline entry to get more sales. They admitted that in an interview.
When I talked to other people, the only ones who liked aoe3 were the aoe3 players. Asking AoM, aoe2 or other RTS players, they all liked aoe2, but couldn't stand aoe3.
Also no one knew what ESO is, ES did a terrible job at marketing. Meanwhile, everybody knew what Battle.Net was, long before WoW.

[duckzilla]

I see a further important advantage of aoe2 over aoe3 in the upgrade system for units. Firstly, most units are upgraded only once, e.g. unique units to elite or cav archer/skirmisher. That prevents potential scaling of too strong stats. Secondly, the upgrades are not just uncreative and plain "+20% dmg/hp", but increase a unit's attributes in a more deliberate manner.

Have infinite resources already been mentioned? That's a bit boring in AoE3. Its made even worse by the fact that there is a highest exchange price of 250 (correct?!).
The idea of an empire exhausting its resources in a total war of attrition against a foe is awesome. Of course this does not happen every game. But still I like the design idea very much.

[pérez]

better and easier playability in aoe3, faster games and more diversity.

[aligator92]

1.) faster paced, shorter games
2.) shipments provide a lot of different build orders and add a lot of tactical depth
3.) from what I have seen, there is so much micro potential in AoE2 that strategy becomes secondary which is silly in a strategy game (also I have low APM so I would be useless in AoE2)
4.) a lot of quality of life improvements like no res-dropoff, batch training, more hotkeys (I think) and I might be mistaken but the multipliers in AoE2 are hidden? what is up with that?

[Le Hussard sur le toit]

and I might be mistaken but the multipliers in AoE2 are hidden? what is up with that?

Yes I think they are and that is single-handedly the reason why I prefer AoE3.

[Qosashvili93]

Just graphics

I dont understand how so many people can play aoe2 with that graphics

[Goodspeed]

I always found AoE2 graphics pretty timeless. The textures and sprites just needed HD updates, which they got in DE.

[Imperial Noob]

I grew up on RTS games of the AOE3 generation (AOE3, Paraworld, COH, DoW2, COH2), so switching to an older gen is not very attractive (the infamous "2-D"). Even Age of Mythology is too ancient for me, despite my love for the setting. Other than that, the medieval times are my least favourite historical period. Literally anything else would interest me more.

So I had no motivation to play singleplayer, and if I dislike that, there is no hope for me wanting to play multi (because I play multiplayer more or less like single player)