RAGEQUITTING AOE3

[n0el]

I hoped for a nice upgrade via AoE3:DE, but given that there is no information flow at all even though first beta tests began in early february, I do not believe in significant upgrade. The hype ain't real anymore.

Long period of pre-release beta testing points to a more significant upgrade of higher quality, if anything. I think you got it backwards.
If the game takes another year of development to release, it's obviously going to be better than if it releases next month. At least, unless something goes very wrong, more development time should simply equal better product in general.

I get where he is coming from, I think. Because there is very little information about AoE3:DE and it's hardly being hyped up, it suggests that there is not a lot to look forward to. If we would get a new engine, new 4k models, 3 new civs and dedicated servers in every country, you would assume they would have started marketing that to get people excited. Instead we hear very little so it may just be a insignificant upgrade compared to the original game.

normally we would get this information at an event like E3, but alas there are no events because of the virus.

[Dolan]

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Except there's no report tool in AOE3 and in AOE3 you're not stuck in a lost game for at least 15 minutes, usually a lot more since nobody wants to resign early, especially if they got one kill and think they will carry.

What makes LoL most infuriating is this lack of options to leave a game at any point you want. If you go afk, you're reported and get punished for afk. In AOE3 you can resign whenever you want at no cost, except your mates' opinion. In LoL, you are stuck wasting time in a game that is lost and which makes everyone bitter and projecting all their frustration onto the easiest targets. So, very often you have to play it out for more than 20 minutes, even though the game was obviously lost in the first 10 minutes, when most lanes lost, you got no drake, mid tourret is already down and the enemy is already fed and roaming through your jungle. And despite all this, they still don't want to FF and will keep playing for 20 more minutes or a lot more.
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Yeah, it doesn't even come close to AOE3.

People who think like you are part of the problem. I'm glad that Riot punishes afkers and leavers. No game in LoL is lost at the 5 or 10min mark, especially not in lower oder middle leagues. If you aren't at least high diamond or in an arranged team, you can swing around a lot of games tbh. You either have the fortitude to duke it out, or just don't bother.
I don't even think about the stuff you mentioned.. if/when a game is lost, trying to persuade your allies to give up, etc.
I just don't care about stuff like that. It's a waste of thinking space. Just concentrate on the gameplay and gamestate, no matter what.
Maybe that's why I have a better time than most others who play League? Also helps if you don't overplay to reach rank X or Y or just queue game after game.

I don't argue in support of going afk or leaving a game. But I also can't agree with what you said, I think LoL games just last way too long. You shouldn't be forced to play a lost game for 40 minutes just because the team doesn't want to resign when it's clear you lost it. Yeah I know, there are lots of built-in game design choices that are made to give you a chance to come back, like if your base is open and lost all inhibs, this means you're going to get huge minion waves, which are feeding you lots of gold fast, and so speeding up getting more items. But you rarely come back in such a situation by, say, winning a team fight, acing them and doing baron and coming back in the game. In 80% of cases, by that time the game is lost and you wasted half an hour on a lost game, from which you couldn't get out without getting a penalty. I just don't like this kind of game design. At least in AOE3 you can just resign and let your mates make their own decisions, including not playing with you anymore. But at least you have a choice and you can get out of it. You can also pause the game, if you have something coming up. In LoL everything just flows, you can't get out of it and you're forced to play it out for at least 20 minutes or more.

This feeling of being trapped in a game with a team they can't win with makes people pissed and that's why they start flaming each other, because they just have to go thru all that shit, even though they played well or didn't feed. So you just know you're wasting time just because some hero thinks he can carry because he got a few kills, so he feels great about it.

5v5 moba leads to long games. If you don't like the game length, maybe you should look into playing something else.

That's the plan. I'll first reach a rank this season, then I'll uninstall or only play occasionaly some ARAMs or customs with friends.
It's not only me thinking that, I've talked to lots who think similar things. Might partly explain why the game playerbase has been declining. There's also the fact that Riot has made the game centered on one single map, which gets boring after a while. Other games have a lot more diversity of maps for ranked games.

Why would you even care to reach a certain rank, given your own criticism?

Sunk cost fallacy in relation to the time I've sunk into that game.

[Goodspeed]

I don't understand why gaming would be considered a "cost". I would hope you were enjoying that time spent playing the game? If you saw that time as an investment, what return on it were you ever expecting?

[Imperial Noob]

Here we go

[Dolan]

I don't understand why gaming would be considered a "cost". I would hope you were enjoying that time spent playing the game? If you saw that time as an investment, what return on it were you ever expecting?

Everything that is fun has a cost, including gaming.
Nobody starts doing something with the awareness they developed after they've done it for months. At first, you're just curious or playing because other people are doing it too. Then you start getting the hang of it, but by that time you've already sunk some time in it and you want to justify that cost by achieving some baseline objective.

[edeholland]

When will my hundreds of hours in Team Fortress 2 pay off?

[Goodspeed]

I don't understand why gaming would be considered a "cost". I would hope you were enjoying that time spent playing the game? If you saw that time as an investment, what return on it were you ever expecting?

Everything that is fun has a cost, including gaming.
Nobody starts doing something with the awareness they developed after they've done it for months. At first, you're just curious or playing because other people are doing it too. Then you start getting the hang of it, but by that time you've already sunk some time in it and you want to justify that cost by achieving some baseline objective.

It seems the key difference between us here is that I think playing the game is (or should be) itself the reward, whereas you think the reward comes later in the form of an achieved objective.

When I take 5 hours to play a game, the time is the cost and the fun had is the "justification". For you, I guess whatever you achieved in those 5 hours would be the justification. With that attitude towards gaming, I can definitely understand why LoL would be a frustrating game for you. I would recommend RPGs, which are designed to make the player feel like they have made progress after playing for a while.

[Dolan]

I played for fun too (ARAMs, normals), but ranked is not only for fun. Obviously if you do ranked you play to win.
And most ppl who play for fun avoid ranked, they think it's too tilting and the matchmaking is just a gamble.
If you play for fun only, playing is the reward, I agree. But if you play ranked, you have a different objective.

[blackout]

Play to win and play to have fun shouldn't be two different things tho

[Ashvin]

Play to win and play to have fun shouldn't be two different things tho

It is not unless you are running on an unwinnable streak.

[Dolan]

Ranked is sort of semi-pro, in the sense that you're taking the game a bit more seriously and the result matters more than anything else. And since ppl "play to win" in ranked (ie, they play for result, not just for fun), sometimes they play meta champs or broken stuff just because they want that free elo.

They might have fun playing other champs, but in ranked they will play something that will help them get a win. It's like playing Ottos in tourney in AOE3. You don't do it because you're a big fan of the civ, because it's fun to play it, but if your objective is to win, then you might have to do it just to stay in the tourney.

If you play for fun only, you don't give a shit if the game looks lost, you weren't playing for result anyway. It might be slightly annoying that nobody puts much effort into it , but that's how it goes in normals. And if you're in voice chat with friends doing custom normals or ARAMs, it's all just for bants and trolling. It's even more fun if you have like custom 3v3s or 4v4s with friends in vc.

[Goodspeed]

I played for fun too (ARAMs, normals), but ranked is not only for fun. Obviously if you do ranked you play to win.
And most ppl who play for fun avoid ranked, they think it's too tilting and the matchmaking is just a gamble.
If you play for fun only, playing is the reward, I agree. But if you play ranked, you have a different objective.

I never played much ranked in any game, but when I do it's only to make sure I get matched up against people of my level. Since LoL unranked still uses a hidden MMR I never found much reason to play ranked there. Friends did want to play ranked though, and from what I've seen it definitely seemed more toxic which is a legitimate reason to avoid it. The most fun I've had with that game is when we had a 5-man team premade.