Uhlans on EP

[Riotcoke]

Everyone knows Uhlans on ep are super shit, hence the name do donators . An idea sparked from the cuir thread by breeze is maybe make Uhlans scale off age 3 stats, this would increase their viability in age 3 onwards but also only really have any affect in longer games or when you can sneak in cc

[Rohbrot]

Just make them cost more and revert the hp (shouldnt be that hard)

[Le Hussard sur le toit]

Everyone knows Uhlans on ep are super shit, hence the name do donators . An idea sparked from the cuir thread by breeze is maybe make Uhlans scale off age 3 stats, this would increase their viability in age 3 onwards but also only really have any affect in longer games or when you can sneak in cc

Well Germany needs a buff in age 2 rather than late age 3 don't they ?

[Garja]

They're not shit, they're just less good than on RE. The unit is pretty much worth its cost. Need a critical mass for them to perform well in battle.

[reuehcS]

Buff Doppelsoldner. This improves age 2 without affecting age 3.
With a small buff, they will still be worse than the musketeer units in general.

Uhlans are designed to be paper and high attack. I agree with what Garja said.

[deleted_user]

Buff Doppelsoldner. This improves age 2 without affecting age 3.
With a small buff, they will still be worse than the musketeer units in general.

Uhlans are designed to be paper and high attack. I agree with what Garja said.

That already happened 2 patches ago

[Rohbrot]

Or a random idea what about if the age 2 cav hp/att cards increase the stats of uhlans by 20%?

[chronique]

With tp nerf and fixed crate, i think german is bottom civ and maybe the worst on no tp map, imo.

[Riotcoke]

Well non-tp civs are strongest now, firstly they get their best starts, and there's a huge tp nerf with basically zero buffs to the actual civs. Honestly germany i don't think has any good mus on beta.

[Hawk_Girl]

just take the re stats but give them 2 extra uhlans in age 3 instead of 3 extra uhlans. Helps prevent stupid age 3 unkillabe mass but also enables uhlans to be used in age 2

[reuehcS]

Buff Doppelsoldner. This improves age 2 without affecting age 3.
With a small buff, they will still be worse than the musketeer units in general.

Uhlans are designed to be paper and high attack. I agree with what Garja said.

That already happened 2 patches ago

I am aware of that. I mean a small buff in Dopps EP.
Other heavy hand infantry units received attack buffs and no dopps, even though they cost twice as much.

However I believe that EP9 has not been tested enough for us to be sure that Germany needs buff at age 2.

[Kaiserklein]

Uhlan nerf is ugly but it kinda does the job. If we revert it we have to find another nerf instead, which is extra work, and might end up being less balanced. I'd rather have this than the xp nerf or some other BS. But ideally we'd have some other nerf instead yeah.

Making them scale from fortress stats would be too weird as it's a colo unit. Also with the age 4 upgrade buff it's not needed, uhlans scale fine.

If anything the biggest problem of the uhlan nerf currently is in colonial anyway. Thankfully bows and dops are buffed though.

[Riotcoke]

Yea 7 uhlan losing to 5 huss is retarded

[Le Hussard sur le toit]

If anything the biggest problem of the uhlan nerf currently is in colonial anyway. Thankfully bows and dops are buffed though.

Solution : revert or partially revert the nerf on the base stats. Nerf the vet upgrade instead (or cc if you prefer)

[Scroogie]

make base stat 180.01 hp, problem solved

[deleted_user]

Yea 7 uhlan losing to 5 huss is retarded

No it's actually good.

[lemmings121]

Yea 7 uhlan losing to 5 huss is retarded

No it's actually good.

Im so used to lose 5 huss vs 4huss battles that Im not even sure if 7uhlan or 5 huss are suposed to win, i just asume i would lose on both sides

[Hazza54321]

pretty sure we can revert it as civs apart from ger get tp starts and ger dont (lol)

[Garja]

7 ulhans dont necessarily die to 5 huss. On RE both 7 and 6 ulhans beat 5 huss. On EP I think it is split 1-1 with 7 ulhans being very close.

[EAGLEMUT]

Making them scale from fortress stats would be too weird as it's a colo unit.

Well, that's kinda funny since you're the one lobbying for colo stats on cuirs...
Nevertheless, I agree, it would be super weird.

[Garja]

Ye but it's standard for fortress units to scale from colonial stats, while the opposite is not.

[Cometk]

Ye but it's standard for fortress units to scale from colonial stats, while the opposite is not.

fortress euro units besides skirm/goon/CA scale off fortress stats (cass, cuir, ww, halb)

fortress twc & asian units scale off colonial stats

it's super dumb

[EAGLEMUT]

Ye but it's standard for fortress units to scale from colonial stats, while the opposite is not.

Well, not exactly. Cuirs with colo stats would be the only unit in the game that scales from colo stats despite never being available in colo.
However, there is weirdness with units that can only be trained in colo using "early" cards, since those have colo stats.

[EAGLEMUT]

Ye but it's standard for fortress units to scale from colonial stats, while the opposite is not.

fortress euro units besides skirm/goon scale off fortress stats (cass, cuir, ww, halb)

fortress twc & asian units scale off colonial stats

it's super dumb

Hold up, you're right. Holy shit it's actually more dumb than I thought!

[Riotcoke]

Ye but it's standard for fortress units to scale from colonial stats, while the opposite is not.

fortress euro units besides skirm/goon scale off fortress stats (cass, cuir, ww, halb)

fortress twc & asian units scale off colonial stats

it's super dumb

I'm fairly sure it's because they don't actually have stats in colonial age since it's possible to get goon and skirm in age 2 while the others not.