Which civs will dominate ep 9 or which civs got nerfed/buffed

[Rohbrot]

Since I cant play for a while I were wondering how ep 9 has changed the civs or the gameplay. Since the beta was tested I hope we can get a overview about ep 9.

[chris1089]

Brit seems a bit stronger and Dutch seems stupid from what I've played so far.

[[Armag] diarouga]

From my games, Dutch was okay. You can age with 14v, but you could already do that on coin start, the difference is that the other civs have a wood start when you get that coin start.

[kevinitalien]

ger will become one of the worst civ for me

[forgrin]

Oh god please no more Dutch meta

[duckzilla]

Consistent with history, the Spanish pike boom is going to dominate the early stages of the game up to mid fortress.

[Ghost_Imperator]

Stupidness of EP9 will dominate.

[chris1089]

Oh and I haven't tested it because I don't play Sioux but I think they will be really strong.

[Black_Duck]

From my games dutch were super strong.

[Hazza54321]

Judging only from what ive seen, i think sioux dutch india are gonna be too strong and ger otto seem bad

[knusch]

dutch basically just has a fixed crate start now, right?

[Plantinator]

Umm I think every civ does?

[chris1089]

dutch basically just has a fixed crate start now, right?

They get a coin crate and a wood crate. Their build seems faster now.

[lemmings121]

imo dutch is really strong, the lategame buff of church card is really not needed, might even need the early game changed somewhere but i'm not sure. maybe change one coin crate for food?

india, jap, non-tp civs in general got relativelly stronger. might at least revert part of the india buffs

sioux is still meme civ, now with stronger colonial allin, and even weaker lategame.

[Riotcoke]

dutch basically just has a fixed crate start now, right?

Coffee trade doesn't slow down units.
Their crate start, 500c 200w, is impossible on RE and EP

[iNcog]

Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

[iNcog]

kind of glad to see OP back on the forums though. can't wait for a rohbrot return.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

It's not considered weak by Mitoe. I think people are misplaying the civ. People claimed that Germany was weak after the uhlan nerf, and still we needed another nerf after people learnt to play Germany properly with WW instead of pure uhlan.

[iNcog]

Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

It's not considered weak by Mitoe. I think people are misplaying the civ. People claimed that Germany was weak after the uhlan nerf, and still we needed another nerf after people learnt to play Germany properly with WW instead of pure uhlan.

I don't know if Ger is good or weak. I don't play the game and if I did, wouldn't be playing at a level where balance is a thing. It'd be interesting to see where balance ends up for Germany in EP9.

Think Uhlans are okay at the moment and that any perceived weakness of Germany would be due to the civ itself as opposed to just that unit. Not sure. Just trying to form an opinion based off of what high level players are all saying at the same time.

[Rohbrot]

kind of glad to see OP back on the forums though. can't wait for a rohbrot return.

Glad to communicate with ya all also again

[Rohbrot]

Dutch got buffed hard it seems like, who had a chance to play on beta?Got dutch a top tier civ?

[kevinitalien]

Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

It's not considered weak by Mitoe. I think people are misplaying the civ. People claimed that Germany was weak after the uhlan nerf, and still we needed another nerf after people learnt to play Germany properly with WW instead of pure uhlan.

coin start + super shit uhlan + malus xp + tp nerf, how to manage them can still be strong, you have to explain to me .....

[Guigs]

Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

It's not considered weak by Mitoe. I think people are misplaying the civ. People claimed that Germany was weak after the uhlan nerf, and still we needed another nerf after people learnt to play Germany properly with WW instead of pure uhlan.

You're right they're not weak, just fucking dogshit

[[Armag] diarouga]

Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

It's not considered weak by Mitoe. I think people are misplaying the civ. People claimed that Germany was weak after the uhlan nerf, and still we needed another nerf after people learnt to play Germany properly with WW instead of pure uhlan.

coin start + super shit uhlan + malus xp + tp nerf, how to manage them can still be strong, you have to explain to me .....

The malus xp got reverted to compensate.

[kevinitalien]

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Seems a bit awkward that Ger doesn't get a TP start consistently but if that was coupled with an XP buff (e.g. 8% shipment rate now) I could see them doing okay once a proper opening has been figured out. One thing to note is that it appears that Ger seems to be still considered "weak" by some despite the XP buff. Thus it may need a bit more adjusting. Not sure yet.

It's not considered weak by Mitoe. I think people are misplaying the civ. People claimed that Germany was weak after the uhlan nerf, and still we needed another nerf after people learnt to play Germany properly with WW instead of pure uhlan.

coin start + super shit uhlan + malus xp + tp nerf, how to manage them can still be strong, you have to explain to me .....

The malus xp got reverted to compensate.

therefore the xp penalty will compensate the start coin against a civ wood start with always an xp penalty which is "buff" at 108% can be + the nerf tp,
ger had only nerf from the start and now its probably gonna be the worst civ in ep 9 just because some players said "omg free uhlans is too strong", just take away 1 free uhlan from each age so that the shipment is more balanced instead of making 50 random changes and much too complicated