Which civs will dominate ep 9 or which civs got nerfed/buffed

[Hazza54321]

why do dutch need 200w anyway lol

[[Armag] diarouga]

It gives them the option to early TP, and it's +100w for a bank in transition anyway.
The question is why would we remove 100w from Dutch ? After all, the civ was mid-bottom tier in the previous patch, don't try to make me believe they're top just because of fixed crates.

[chronique]

It gives them the option to early TP, and it's +100w for a bank in transition anyway.
The question is why would we remove 100w from Dutch ? After all, the civ was mid-bottom tier in the previous patch, don't try to make me believe they're top just because of fixed crates.

Idk, its seem like peaple forget that -15% xp is a big nerf for almost all tp civ.

[Hazza54321]

It gives them the option to early TP, and it's +100w for a bank in transition anyway.
The question is why would we remove 100w from Dutch ? After all, the civ was mid-bottom tier in the previous patch, don't try to make me believe they're top just because of fixed crates.

dont try and tell me they were "mid-bottom tier"

[[Armag] diarouga]

It gives them the option to early TP, and it's +100w for a bank in transition anyway.
The question is why would we remove 100w from Dutch ? After all, the civ was mid-bottom tier in the previous patch, don't try to make me believe they're top just because of fixed crates.

dont try and tell me they were "mid-bottom tier"

How many times did you see Dutch in EPL ?

[Black_Duck]

It gives them the option to early TP, and it's +100w for a bank in transition anyway.
The question is why would we remove 100w from Dutch ? After all, the civ was mid-bottom tier in the previous patch, don't try to make me believe they're top just because of fixed crates.

dont try and tell me they were "mid-bottom tier"

How many times did you see Dutch in EPL ?

Swear thats got to do with them not having counter MUs rather than bad civ

[amiggo1999]

I agree with rouga. They might've been a top civ in team, but for 1v1 they don't do well on high tp maps, and weren't top on std maps either. There also always seems to be a better civ to counter your opponent with, no matter the map.

[[Armag] diarouga]

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It gives them the option to early TP, and it's +100w for a bank in transition anyway.
The question is why would we remove 100w from Dutch ? After all, the civ was mid-bottom tier in the previous patch, don't try to make me believe they're top just because of fixed crates.

dont try and tell me they were "mid-bottom tier"

How many times did you see Dutch in EPL ?

Swear thats got to do with them not having counter MUs rather than bad civ

I meant bad tournament civ. Anyway, I think that Dutch is a weaker version of France, even on EP9.

[[Armag] diarouga]

I agree with rouga. They might've been a top civ in team, but for 1v1 they don't do well on high tp maps, and weren't top on std maps either. There also always seems to be a better civ to counter your opponent with, no matter the map.

They're op in team of course, but that's not the point. As you said, they suck on high TP maps, and even on normal maps, they have many hard MUs like Brit, Russia, Japan, China, Spain (not saying all these are hopeless, but they're hard to win).

[Garja]

Wait, is Dutch starting with +100g and +100w?

[Cometk]

Wait, is Dutch starting with +100g and +100w?

Yea

[Garja]

I mean, Dutch by default already starts with 5 crates instead of the 4 of other Euro civs (not Russia ofc). And you give them both 100w and 100g. Give them +100f as well if you can...

[chronique]

Wait wait wait, dutch start with more crate on the beta??

[[Armag] diarouga]

Wait wait wait, dutch start with more crate on the beta??

No.

[flontier]

Wait wait wait, dutch start with more crate on the beta??

They just start with 500c 200w instead of 400c 200w and 100f, which is almost exactly the same because dutch vills gather gold +15% faster than other vills so 100g is almost as fast as 100f to get.
So the difference in gathering time is super small and almost irrelevant...

Dutch is like the most average civ of all, and i dont see why would they be better on this patch, they have a ton of shit match up and most of the civ they were doing good or okay before are now buff like india and sioux lol. + some other are also buffs like azzy, russia...
The only good mu is prob vs ger now.
And overall the fixed wood start is anything but good for dutch even with a -15% tp.

I think people are overreacting just based on a couple games they lost or idk i feel not having play the same beta.

This thread is basically everyone complaining about their main civ anyway, i think the balance is quite good compared to last patch, if anything atm i think sioux need a nerf about that extra vills and ger maybe a little tweaks.
Other than that its just hard to say with just a one week of test...

[[Armag] diarouga]

Ye, I'm not good enough at Sioux to test the civ, but it needs solid testing.

[Kawapasaka]

Yeah Dutch feels exactly the same lol not sure what everyone's on about

[I_HaRRiiSoN_I]

we should just call this the Daddy Sheckler patch then if sioux/dutch are up tbf me kaister and sheckler play dutch and sioux as our top 2/3 civs

[chronique]

Ah okey.

I am complaining about no tp civ on no tp map. Tp dependent civ are always tp dependent and on no tp map you can't realy native rush anymore.

[Black_Duck]

we should just call this the Daddy Sheckler patch then if sioux/dutch are up tbf me kaister and sheckler play dutch and sioux as our top 2/3 civs

I hate it

[[Armag] diarouga]

we should just call this the Daddy Sheckler patch then if sioux/dutch are up tbf me kaister and sheckler play dutch and sioux as our top 2/3 civs

@kaister should join the team, I agree.

[kevinitalien]

Wait wait wait, dutch start with more crate on the beta??

i think the balance is quite good compared to last patch

I don't agree, the game is going to be super boring really, but I'm not sure the balance is right now, it's even worse than before for now since the game has always been balanced with random crates and now there are fixed crates, how to balance it?
the whole game to run with random crates, and now there is so much change to balance with fixed crates that it's way too much change, in the end RE and EP it's clearly 2 different games and it's starting to be really sad

[[Armag] diarouga]

Wait wait wait, dutch start with more crate on the beta??

i think the balance is quite good compared to last patch

I don't agree, the game is going to be super boring really, but I'm not sure the balance is right now, it's even worse than before for now since the game has always been balanced with random crates and now there are fixed crates, how to balance it?
the whole game to run with random crates, and now there is so much change to balance with fixed crates that it's way too much change, in the end RE and EP it's clearly 2 different games and it's starting to be really sad

If you think the game was balanced with random crates, then it is balanced with fixed crates assuming we give all civs the same crates. For instance, if you think that EP India isn't balanced with a wood start, then it means that it was shit on coin starts and op on wood starts, which is now fixed.

The only civ that didn't get "normal" fixed crates is Germany, because Germany on wood start would simply be too strong (and that's because Germany random crates were broken as fuck). You can see that as a nerf we tried to compensate by reverting another nerf.
If it's not enough, Germany will be buffed more, but claiming that the game is unbalanced because of fixed crates is just plain wrong.

[chronique]

Game was balance overall but super random because of rdm crate (sometime you win because of 200w sometime you loose because of 100g, 50% winrate). But i am not sure ep9 is more balance overall, i think the opposite, some civ are cacaboudin and others are too good. And no tp maps seem super unbalance (more than ep8)

[kevinitalien]

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Wait wait wait, dutch start with more crate on the beta??

i think the balance is quite good compared to last patch

I don't agree, the game is going to be super boring really, but I'm not sure the balance is right now, it's even worse than before for now since the game has always been balanced with random crates and now there are fixed crates, how to balance it?
the whole game to run with random crates, and now there is so much change to balance with fixed crates that it's way too much change, in the end RE and EP it's clearly 2 different games and it's starting to be really sad

If you think the game was balanced with random crates, then it is balanced with fixed crates assuming we give all civs the same crates. For instance, if you think that EP India isn't balanced with a wood start, then it means that it was shit on coin starts and op on wood starts, which is now fixed.

The only civ that didn't get "normal" fixed crates is Germany, because Germany on wood start would simply be too strong (and that's because Germany random crates were broken as fuck). You can see that as a nerf we tried to compensate by reverting another nerf.
If it's not enough, Germany will be buffed more, but claiming that the game is unbalanced because of fixed crates is just plain wrong.

I totally disagree, when you decide to nerf or buff a civ you took into account the random crates, you did not take into account the fixed crates, and in no case am I saying that india was unbalanced with a gold or wood start, which is also false since the other civs with a gold start also suddenly, I really do not understand this logic sincerely