How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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Hi, was wondering how to counter a Aztec lame rush with all the unit shippment on the deck etc etc (as french and as sioux) ?

Legacy, tad please
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Basically you have to ship your own units, macro super tight, utilise tc efficiently, and not give any free units.

Idk for sioux, but for French I'd suggest skipping placer mines and possibly steel traps, starting rax and stable, shipping 700 wood first and making bow/huss. Then either 600 wood, 700 coin or 8 bow.
Don't forget to use your CBD.

I don't play Sioux but I'd imagine you can just do the warhut rush build, but in base.
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Re: How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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chris1089 wrote:
18 Jan 2022, 09:35
Basically you have to ship your own units, macro super tight, utilise tc efficiently, and not give any free units.

Idk for sioux, but for French I'd suggest skipping placer mines and possibly steel traps, starting rax and stable, shipping 700 wood first and making bow/huss. Then either 600 wood, 700 coin or 8 bow.
Don't forget to use your CBD.

I don't play Sioux but I'd imagine you can just do the warhut rush build, but in base.
well thank you i'll try that and see if it work, but bow/huss seem hard to mix and have a good mass in the same time
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Ye, well it's very much for against an all in build, and you're using the crates for your bows and gathering quite a bit in transition. I haven't practised much, rather it's a build someone else recommended for the mu.
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At low levels you can get away with just xbows really. Have to use all the rest as anticav tho so it requires a bit of skills. It's easier strategy and macro but you need better micro.
Huss-bow is the recommended comp but again if your micro is not good you will get trampled even harder.
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Re: How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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LOL do Aztec have "lame" rush in current version? With those shipments less than 600 resources?
For Lakota you just start warhut and win. Axe rider > coyote, clubmen > puma, bowmen >= slinger. You can even build teepees with your infantry under their front warhut.
For French you make hussar+xbow, and switch into hussar musk in late colonial. But generally you can just hold the rush easily and go age 3.
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Re: How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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Garja wrote:
18 Jan 2022, 20:29
At low levels you can get away with just xbows really. Have to use all the rest as anticav tho so it requires a bit of skills. It's easier strategy and macro but you need better micro.
Huss-bow is the recommended comp but again if your micro is not good you will get trampled even harder.
well I don't know what you consider as low level or not, but i ask for captain level, so probably low for you but i'll say "med" for the game

but my micro suck hard
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Re: How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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fei123456 wrote:
19 Jan 2022, 01:55
LOL do Aztec have "lame" rush in current version? With those shipments less than 600 resources?
For Lakota you just start warhut and win. Axe rider > coyote, clubmen > puma, bowmen >= slinger. You can even build teepees with your infantry under their front warhut.
For French you make hussar+xbow, and switch into hussar musk in late colonial. But generally you can just hold the rush easily and go age 3.
I said in the post "Legacy, TAD"
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Most of that still holds though.
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Re: How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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Perhaps post a video of your play here.
I'm sure the experts here can better guide you in Aztecs vs French (the one match-up France is expected to stay on top of. It feels to me as if the civ was designed to be countered by France lol).
In Colonial Age, Aztecs are like Russia if Russia had expensive pikes for musks and poor economic follow-up to the early raids and map control.

Note: I'm making the generous assumption that you're on a TP map. (Not that Aztecs don't like taking TPs but they have other XP gimmicks while France is objectively at a disadvantage on no TP maps.)
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Re: How to beat a Aztecs lame rush?

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Realife_Brahmin wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 08:12
Perhaps post a video of your play here.
I'm sure the experts here can better guide you in Aztecs vs French (the one match-up France is expected to stay on top of. It feels to me as if the civ was designed to be countered by France lol).
In Colonial Age, Aztecs are like Russia if Russia had expensive pikes for musks and poor economic follow-up to the early raids and map control.

Note: I'm making the generous assumption that you're on a TP map. (Not that Aztecs don't like taking TPs but they have other XP gimmicks while France is objectively at a disadvantage on no TP maps.)
well i'll try to rec a game when this match up come again,

but russia is easier to play age 2 because weak anti cav, but aztec got good anti cav, and they got map control with FB so it's hard to keep the tp if it's not in your base (for me at least)

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