Microsoft programmers can't math?

[edeholland]

[strike]So I've been looking into the bug that units lose more HP when they break relations with British than they get with allying.

The code for allying is the following:
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  <'Effect type ='TechStatus' status ='obtainable'>'ypConsulateRelationsBritish<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.10' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractVillager<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.10' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractInfantry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.10' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractCavalry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.10' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractArtillery<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.10' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'Surgeon<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'   

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The code for breaking relations is the following:
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<'Effect type ='TechStatus' status ='unobtainable'>'ypConsulateRelationsBritish<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractArtillery<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractCavalry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractInfantry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
   <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Hitpoints' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
    <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'Surgeon<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'

[strike]
Who thought this was a good idea? Multiplying a number by 1,10 and then by 0,9 does not give you the original value.

150*1,1=165
165*0,9=148,5

So basicly, each time you break relations with Brits, you lose 1% hp on all your units. [/strike]

It's even worse for Japanese.

When you isolate:

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         <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.05' subtype ='Damage' allactions ='1' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
            <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractCavalry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
         <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.05' subtype ='Damage' allactions ='1' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
            <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractArtillery<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
         <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='1.05' subtype ='Damage' allactions ='1' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
            <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractVillager<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'

When you break relations:

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         <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Damage' allactions ='1' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
            <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractArtillery<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
         <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Damage' allactions ='1' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
            <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractCavalry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'
         <'Effect type ='Data' amount ='0.90' subtype ='Damage' allactions ='1' relativity ='BasePercent'>'
            <'Target type ='ProtoUnit'>'AbstractInfantry<'/Target>'<'/Effect>'

So you also lose more than 1% of your attack each time you break relations.

:whistling:

[yemshi]

Down to 0 attk?

[Goodspeed]

For Jap you actually lose a ton more because it's +5% and then -10%. You know, cause they nerfed jap isolation to give 5% instead of 10 but forgot to change the cancel tech.

But yeah the *1.1 then *0.9 thing is pretty hilarious. You'd think a programmer understands basic math..

[edeholland]

I assume it will repeat itself and near 0 attack. Of course it can never really reach zero.

[britishmusketeer]

I guess you don't go to dutch consulate late game for a quick bank then.

[edeholland]

I guess you don''t go to dutch consulate late game for a quick bank then.

[strike]It''s for Brits and Japs. I haven''t looked if you get a negative gold trickle with Dutch yet. (:))[/strike]


You are talking about being allied with Japs and then switching to Dutch of course. You lose like 10% attack then, indeed a reason not to break relations.

[momuuu]

1/1.1 = 0.9 confirmed.

[grihaci]

I don't know about Japanese isolation but I have tested in game and allying and breaking relations with brits actually don't lower infantry hitpoints. It says "base percent" therefore its calculated over base value.
150 + 150*0.1 = 165
when you break:
150 + 150*0.1 - 150*0.1 = 150

[edeholland]

I don''t know about Japanese isolation but I have tested in game and allying and breaking relations with brits actually don''t lower infantry hitpoints. It says "base percent" therefore its calculated over base value.
150 + 150*0.1 = 165
when you break:
150 + 150*0.1 - 150*0.1 = 150

Good point, I did not realise that. Anybody who wants to quickly test the Jap consulate? :-X

[Goodspeed]

Oh, right, AoE uses base values for everything.
Jp cons is *1.05 then *0.9 so you're still losing 5%

[deleted_user0]

rofl... scrubs

[zoom]

I actually have to agree entirely with Ume? on this one. It's a well known bug that Japanese Isolation causes this decrease since the nerf because they forgot to adjust the end-alliance modifier. It's also well known that there is no such issue with British Allies.

I suppose I forgive you though. 1.1x0.9 does not equal 1, after all...

[momuuu]

Apperently they arent stupid haha.

Thats good, otherwise itd be very concerning haha.

[zoom]

Robot are though, it would seem...

[momuuu]

Robot are though, it would seem...

we knew that already though.

[Metis]

If you continue establishing and ending relations with the Japanese Consulate you eventually get this:

[iNcog]

loool

[yemshi]

I was right! But loool^^

[noissance]

that isn't a math problem, it is a memory problem (forgot to nerf both increase and decrease)

[bart331]

Its balanced imo, jap deserve it

[zoom]

I was right! But loool^^

No. You were wrong. You still are.

It does show as "0" in the UI though...

[momuuu]

I was right! But loool^^

No. You were wrong. You still are.

It does show as "0" in the UI though...

limit[n->inf](a*0.95^n)=0
So he is right ')

[Goodspeed]

When physicists try to make math jokes...

[momuuu]

When physicists try to make math jokes...

was that a joke? Physicists dont make jokes.

Except one about electrons that isnt funny.

[zoom]

No. You were wrong. You still are.

It does show as "0" in the UI though...

limit[n->'inf](a*0.95^n)=0
So he is right ')

No, son. You can multiply any number greater than zero with any number greater than zero and it will never become zero.

So he is wrong.