how to improve APM

Kaiserklein · Post by **Kaiserklein** » 27 Sep 2015, 20:22

diarouga wrote:In every rts, even more on sc2, positioning and amoove is often the best thing to do.
And btw, I don''t see why german would require more micro than japan^^. Both only require positioning+a clic.

I can''t see how you can win as german by only attack moving with skirm/cav or skirm/ww against musk/cav compositions

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 27 Sep 2015, 20:24

illmatic wrote:damn shots fired

[ lol

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 27 Sep 2015, 20:28

einfein wrote:The highest rank I''ve ever reached in this game was Brigadier and that was back in nilla/TWC days. The biggest difference in my play now verse then is my speed (or lack there of) aka APM. I played lots of minor flash games that involved lots of precise clicking in order to train my APM. Back then I played often and was very fast when it came to multitasking etc. I also had very little game knowledge back then and relied almost entirely on my micro to win games and needed to win them early or a loss was almost guaranteed. My macro was truly horrible. Because of this I know that having a higher APM can certainly help you win lots of games, but the players I lost to back then usually beat me with strategy and planning. They had strong build orders, a deeper understanding of the game and just made better decisions over all. Sure, some were also faster then me, but I realized that at a certain level just knowing when to do one thing at the right time is better then doing four things at a less then optimal time.

A high APM is always going to be beneficial, but I don''t think it eclipses a player who understands what to do and when precisely to do it. That being said, if you''re a strong player AND have a high APM you''re probably going to be a beast.

+1 very intelligent and informative post unlike most of what i been reading today, thx and gj

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 27 Sep 2015, 23:04

Ok I was playing around with mouse settings and mouse accuracy and noticed something weird: The distance travelled on the screen doesn't necessarily match the distance you moved your mouse. This apperantly has to do with your pc calculating something as mouse acceleration, and messing with the output valued of your mouse. I did what this site told me to do, and instantly noticed a big difference. I haven't even tested it out in a flash game, but this feels infinitely more consistent, so much more consistent that I couldn't help but posting about it right away. Here's the link: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.nl/2010 ... n-fix.html

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 27 Sep 2015, 23:05

you gotta disable default mouse acceleration for gaming

Post by **_H2O** » 27 Sep 2015, 23:37

Put the mouse driver on tick 6 and deselect enhanced pointer precision. It makes a world of difference to how well your inputs are handled from the mouse! That one matters a LOT

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 27 Sep 2015, 23:49

Somehow disabling enhanced pointer precision decreased the accuracy of my mouse. Not sure why. But that link made things much better. It appears my brain has been wired for the mouse accelaration though, which is most evident when it comes to the larger distances. I could blame this for my complete inability to actually focus fire on a unit rather than a blur of units lol.

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 27 Sep 2015, 23:52

Ye you need to get used to that first but then it's a lot better.
In general whenever you change something in your mouse settings it may take days before you get used to that.

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 27 Sep 2015, 23:53

jerom wrote:Ok I was playing around with mouse settings and mouse accuracy and noticed something weird: The distance travelled on the screen doesn''t necessarily match the distance you moved your mouse. This apperantly has to do with your pc calculating something as mouse acceleration, and messing with the output valued of your mouse. I did what this site told me to do, and instantly noticed a big difference. I haven''t even tested it out in a flash game, but this feels infinitely more consistent, so much more consistent that I couldn''t help but posting about it right away. Here''s the link: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.nl/2010 ... n-fix.html

that link by the way contains a file that is a virus

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 28 Sep 2015, 00:09

garja wrote:Ye you need to get used to that first but then it''s a lot better.
In general whenever you change something in your mouse settings it may take days before you get used to that.

no it wasn''t about getting used to it in my case. I did actual measurements that seemed to imply a large inconsistency in cursor movement when moving the mouse at varying speeds.

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 28 Sep 2015, 00:32

ye with acceleration that is, without acceleration you don't have inconsistencies unless your mouse is flawed

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:11

h2o wrote:Put the mouse driver on tick 6 and deselect enhanced pointer precision. It makes a world of difference to how well your inputs are handled from the mouse! That one matters a LOT

what is the enhanced pointer precision supposed to do? I just disabled it and the only difference i feel (not having played aoe yet) is that it feels a little more sensitive

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:12

It seems to somehow mess with the mouse output.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:14

jerom wrote:It seems to somehow mess with the mouse output.

never seemed to have problems with the mouse not doing what im telling it to do, i guess ill see when eso is back up

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:19

actually now I see the difference, I can't click on anything anymore accurately and it's making me feel slightly sick XD

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:22

I used what's in that link and that seemed to make the biggest difference. Ive never felt so accurate.

For example, in that disk minigame I went from 30-50 to 80-100 in just 1 hour getting used to it.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:31

h2o wrote:Put the mouse driver on tick 6 and deselect enhanced pointer precision. It makes a world of difference to how well your inputs are handled from the mouse! That one matters a LOT

Counting 6 ticks starting with tick 1 at position zero or one?

I hope this turns out better in the end I''m not looking forward to sucking so much until i get used to this XD

Kaiserklein · Post by **Kaiserklein** » 28 Sep 2015, 01:47

I can't dl that thing, it is considered as a virus by my comp

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 28 Sep 2015, 03:15

ovi12 wrote:
h2o wrote:Put the mouse driver on tick 6 and deselect enhanced pointer precision. It makes a world of difference to how well your inputs are handled from the mouse! That one matters a LOT
Counting 6 ticks starting with tick 1 at position zero or one?

I hope this turns out better in the end Im not looking forward to sucking so much until i get used to this XD

Id go for 5-7 tics and then take the one you are used to tbh. It took me 30 minutes of playing that disk flash game to get used to it like that. Theres one option that adapts the disk per second to something that suits your tempo and goes on infinitely which is much more useful than the standard mode (which honestly is just way too fast for me).

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 28 Sep 2015, 04:09

It's tick 6/11.

Super important not to have mouse acceleration on. You can't click shit if you don't.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Sep 2015, 05:11

kaiserklein wrote:
diarouga wrote:In every rts, even more on sc2, positioning and amoove is often the best thing to do.
And btw, I dont see why german would require more micro than japan^^. Both only require positioning+a clic.
I cant see how you can win as german by only attack moving with skirm/cav or skirm/ww against musk/cav compositions

Well not against musk/huss, but vs skirm goons with skirm/uhlans you just a clic while your opponent has to.micro super hard.
And when Im talking about micro, I mean spliting, backing hurt units etc, hit and run vs musk/huss is only a clic and back.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 28 Sep 2015, 14:44

[strike]5th[/strike] 6th* tick via Windows.

Now with your mouse software :
- select a dpi between 1800-2600.
- polling rate : 250Hz or 500Hz (125Hz sucks and 1kHz may require too much CPU power)

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 28 Sep 2015, 14:59

6th tick (the one in the middle). The right DPI is totally dependant on your monitor resolution and your personal preference. Also some gaming mice have 1000hz polling rate.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 28 Sep 2015, 15:29

1000Hz = 1kHz

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 28 Sep 2015, 15:38

ESOC

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