Hardest civs to play?

Mr_Bramboy · Post by **Mr_Bramboy** » 28 Oct 2015, 06:50

Definitely Dutch. It's so hard to hold any pressure in colonial..

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Oct 2015, 06:54

diarouga wrote:Imo

Hardest: Azzy

Hard: China/japan/port/india

Quite hard: Dutch/brit/spain

Easy: Ger/fre/iro/russia

Broken:Sioux/otto

btw I think Quite hard means harder than just hard. Why is port hard? You pretty much can''t/don''t do anything until mamelukes come and after that if you do enough damage it''s just like playing any other fortress civ

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Oct 2015, 06:55

bramboy wrote:Definitely Dutch. It''s so hard to hold any pressure in colonial..

If you do everything fast you should be ok I think, you just have to build everything really close and save your mm at 1 hp as much as posible until you have your skirms out. The additional bank xp will help A LOT because I think you will get bank wagon 700w almost back to back every time

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Oct 2015, 06:57

ovi12 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Imo

Hardest: Azzy

Hard: China/japan/port/india

Rather hard: Dutch/brit/spain

Easy: Ger/fre/iro/russia

Broken:Sioux/otto
btw I think Quite hard means harder than just hard. Why is port hard? You pretty much cant/dont do anything until mamelukes come and after that if you do enough damage its just like playing any other fortress civ

Because you have to def hard, your mam timing wont win the game, and then you have 50v and no food/no gold and you cant spam.

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:00

diarouga wrote:You have to def, go hold a musk/huss or an iro/azzy/russian rush, that''s super hard.

Yeah I suppose forcing China into colo makes things complicated for China (pretty much impossible vs Otto and Iro), but only half of the civs can do that and Chinese fort is pretty easy to lame. Idk, I would put china at middle. Imho knowing what to do as, say, India, is more complicated.

mongobillione · Post by **mongobillione** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:09

diarouga wrote:You have to def, go hold a musk/huss or an iro/azzy/russian rush, that''s super hard.

yea when u decide to ff and some douchebag (diarouga) plays french ages with 13 vills and spam huss and musk nonstop u can either give ip or hope on a mistake by him.. if that doesnt happen u die

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:10

ivan wrote:
diarouga wrote:You have to def, go hold a musk/huss or an iro/azzy/russian rush, thats super hard.
Yeah I suppose forcing China into colo makes things complicated for China (pretty much impossible vs Otto and Iro), but only half of the civs can do that and Chinese fort is pretty easy to lame. Idk, I would put china at middle. Imho knowing what to do as, say, India, is more complicated.

The problem is, you have to defend witouth going colo, because then you autolose or if you do some sort of semi you significantly lower your chances of winning.

Mitoe · Post by **Mitoe** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:12

Hardest civs to play and hardest civs to play well may be different.

India
Japan
China
British
Aztec
Iroquois
Dutch
German
French
Spain
Sioux
Russia
Ottoman

And I CBA to rate Portugal because they're so turtly and boring.

mongobillione · Post by **mongobillione** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:12

aztec i think have a huge amoung of taxtics even more than brits imo so i think thwy are not that hard to play u just have to choose well

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:17

ivan wrote:
diarouga wrote:You have to def, go hold a musk/huss or an iro/azzy/russian rush, thats super hard.
Yeah I suppose forcing China into colo makes things complicated for China (pretty much impossible vs Otto and Iro), but only half of the civs can do that and Chinese fort is pretty easy to lame. Idk, I would put china at middle. Imho knowing what to do as, say, India, is more complicated.

Every civs will try to damage you in colonial, and thats not easy to defend.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:18

mnogobillione wrote:
diarouga wrote:You have to def, go hold a musk/huss or an iro/azzy/russian rush, thats super hard.
yea when u decide to ff and some douchebag (diarouga) plays french ages with 13 vills and spam huss and musk nonstop u can either give ip or hope on a mistake by him.. if that doesnt happen u die

Oh are you Oliwia?

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:19

ovi12 wrote:
ivan wrote:Yeah I suppose forcing China into colo makes things complicated for China (pretty much impossible vs Otto and Iro), but only half of the civs can do that and Chinese fort is pretty easy to lame. Idk, I would put china at middle. Imho knowing what to do as, say, India, is more complicated.
The problem is, you have to defend witouth[url=" title="Click to Continue]by name"> going[img]http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png"][/url] colo, because then you autolose or if you do some sort of semi you significantly lower your chances of winning.

Perhaps Im wrong, but I always thought of Chinas colo as suboptimal, but not exactly an autolose...
Either way, their fort is too easy, and age 2 is complicated only against certain civs: and even so as China I rarely struggle in the "Damn, what do I do next" dilemma. For example, against Iros I just click the resign button.

mongobillione · Post by **mongobillione** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:21

yea thats me.. i was so noob i scoutes fb so late..but ur rush was awesome so eco heavy and still poerful

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:23

ivan wrote:
ovi12 wrote:The problem is, you have to defend witouth[url=" title="Click to Continue]by name">' going[img]http://cdncache1-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png"][/url] colo, because then you autolose or if you do some sort of semi you significantly lower your chances of winning.
Perhaps Im wrong, but I always thought of Chinas colo as suboptimal, but not exactly an autolose...
Either way, their fort is too easy, and age 2 is complicated only against certain civs: and even so as China I rarely struggle in the "Damn, what do I do next" dilemma. For example, against Iros I just click the resign button.

Well I cant think of any civ which loses to chinas colonial

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:28

mnogobillione wrote:yea thats me.. i was so noob i scoutes fb so late..but ur rush was awesome so eco heavy and still poerful

Yeah that''s exactly the kind of situation where you can see that china is definitely not as easy as some may think.
Lol, 5musk/5huss in your town at 5min30 haha, that was so lame.
The thing is that most civs are missplayed vs china, when I played china I saw so many fre going semi 5huss without even raiding and then complaining about the MU...

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:35

diarouga wrote:Imo

Hardest: Azzy

Hard: China/japan/port/india

rather hard: Dutch/brit/spain

Easy: Ger/fre/iro/russia

Broken:Sioux/otto

Agreed.

Just that I would put Russia and Germany on rather hard.

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 28 Oct 2015, 07:39

Russia is a weak civ but there's pretty much just one way to play it lol.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Oct 2015, 08:10

Yeah russia is easy to play.
Ger is controversial but you're basically semi ffing every games so. I could have put them on rather hard yeah but I'm not sure they're harder than iro.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 28 Oct 2015, 10:04

sioux not that easy. their bo is simple, but you need good sense and enough experience to catch your opponent's weakness. "knowing what should i do now" is extremely important to a sioux player. you have bad eco so you can't make mistake.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 28 Oct 2015, 10:40

Yep but you know what you have to do lol, mass brs and raid with 2 groups, that's not that hard lol.

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 28 Oct 2015, 10:44

I would hike Aztecs and Russians a few positions each. Otherwise I think OP a fairly good assessment.

jaype22 · Post by **jaype22** » 28 Oct 2015, 10:48

Aztecs, also idk why people think japan is hard

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 28 Oct 2015, 10:52

Because there are a lot of things to do and little margin for error.

Aizamk · Post by **Aizamk** » 28 Oct 2015, 10:56

mitoe wrote:Hardest civs to play and hardest civs to play well may be different.

India
Japan
China
British
Aztec
Iroquois
Dutch
German
French
Spain
Sioux
Russia
Ottoman

And I CBA to rate Portugal because they''re so turtly and boring.

:''( poor ports and their turtly boringness.

samwise12 · Post by **samwise12** » 28 Oct 2015, 11:19

Imo brit, jap and port have the highest skill cap, making them the hardest to play.

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