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[face=arial]Hi everyone,


I have a question about the attack move. When I play online I can''t use it, but when I only play against bots I can. Isn''t attack move allowed online? I play on vanilla if that makes a difference. I read somewhere on the internet that you should ad a file somewhere in the game folder, but I don''t know if that''s allowed.


I hope you could help me out,


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On vanilla be sure to click on the opponent units or in a blank spot. Everything else will cause the attack move to not work.

Play TAD.
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garja wrote:On vanilla be sure to click on the opponent units or in a blank spot. Everything else will cause the attack move to not work.

Play TAD.
On nilla there are only two OP civs to deal with. On TAD there are at least 3, possibly 4 if you wish to include Japan.
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Ye but nilla sux
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garja wrote:On vanilla be sure to click on the opponent units or in a blank spot. Everything else will cause the attack move to not work.

Play TAD.
It doesnt matter what you do, it doesnt always work. My guess is that with any latency this problem gets worse. Thats why when you play vs bots it works more often for you.

It works way better on TAD as well.
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papist wrote:
garja wrote:On vanilla be sure to click on the opponent units or in a blank spot. Everything else will cause the attack move to not work.

Play TAD.
On nilla there are only two OP civs to deal with. On TAD there are at least 3, possibly 4 if you wish to include Japan.

nilla has no counter system. cheating is rampant. No good players play on it. It has 3 op civs and 1 op unit class.

Ranged infantry beats everything making the game much more 1 dimensional.

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h2o wrote:
garja wrote:On vanilla be sure to click on the opponent units or in a blank spot. Everything else will cause the attack move to not work.

Play TAD.
It doesnt matter what you do, it doesnt always work. My guess is that with any latency this problem gets worse. Thats why when you play vs bots it works more often for you.

It works way better on TAD as well.
Thats the lag bug when AI in general get fucked by someones retarded pc (unit pathing apparently stresses the pc)
But on nilla there is also the other thing I described which isnt even a bug, just a retarded implementation of attack move.
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garja wrote:
h2o wrote:It doesnt matter what you do, it doesnt always work. My guess is that with any latency this problem gets worse. Thats why when you play vs bots it works more often for you.

It works way better on TAD as well.
Thats the lag bug when AI in general get fucked by someones retarded pc (unit pathing apparently stresses the pc)
But on nilla there is also the other thing I described which isnt even a bug, just a retarded implementation of attack move.
I dont think its a retarded impementation of attack move. If I?m not good enough to use it, why does it work against bots? The attackmove does work against guardians online, but not against enemy troops. They just keep walking and not doing anything. The problem with the latency is more likable I think. I dont have a good pc, but the game runs fine on low graphics, only the attack move doesnt work.
Id like to have TAD too, but it is 36 euros now, thats a bit to much, Im waiting for it goes on sale. On vannilla there is 1 op civ, ottos ofc, but I think if you play right, you can win this matchup. I dont have problems with to bad players, Im not that good. I started playing aoe3 this year online, Im a 1st lt now.
Ranged inf is indeed very good, but they can also be countered. What Id like about TAD is the light inf bonus vs ranged cav, and that tps only cost 200w. Cheaper tps allows you to use different strats, that dont work on vannilla. New maps are also nice, but I dont know if people play on it. I hope so, Ive played on gp enough:) New hotkeys are also nice, but I dont think theyll make a big difference for me, I dont play on such a high lvl.
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kokiloki wrote:Ranged inf is indeed very good, but they can also be countered. What I''d like about TAD is the light inf bonus vs ranged cav
Pretty sure with good micro, a decent mass of ranged infantry beats everything except cannons on Vanilla. Also, skirms actually do have a bonus vs ranged cav in Vanilla, but it''s a hidden bonus' it IS there in the code though.
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mitoe wrote:
kokiloki wrote:Ranged inf is indeed very good, but they can also be countered. What Id like about TAD is the light inf bonus vs ranged cav
Pretty sure with good micro, a decent mass of ranged infantry beats everything except cannons on Vanilla. Also, skirms actually do have a bonus vs ranged cav in Vanilla, but its a hidden bonus' it IS there in the code though.
I didnt know about the hidden bonus, is it a 2 times bonus, like on TAD, and only with skirms? In theory hand cav does counter ligt inf, but when the oppenent has enough anti cav its not worth massing hand cav, especially if the other has a good micro and a good base order, Canons are indeed pretty usefull. When both players have a mass of ranged inf, then they both dont have a big benefit from it.
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I think it's 2x, yeah. Not 100% sure though.
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kokiloki wrote:
garja wrote:Thats the lag bug when AI in general get fucked by someones retarded pc (unit pathing apparently stresses the pc)
But on nilla there is also the other thing I described which isnt even a bug, just a retarded implementation of attack move.
I dont think its a retarded impementation of attack move. If I?m not good enough to use it, why does it work against bots? The attackmove does work against guardians online, but not against enemy troops. They just keep walking and not doing anything. The problem with the latency is more likable I think. I dont have a good pc, but the game runs fine on low graphics, only the attack move doesnt work.
Id like to have TAD too, but it is 36 euros now, thats a bit to much, Im waiting for it goes on sale. On vannilla there is 1 op civ, ottos ofc, but I think if you play right, you can win this matchup. I dont have problems with to bad players, Im not that good. I started playing aoe3 this year online, Im a 1st lt now.
Ranged inf is indeed very good, but they can also be countered. What Id like about TAD is the light inf bonus vs ranged cav, and that tps only cost 200w. Cheaper tps allows you to use different strats, that dont work on vannilla. New maps are also nice, but I dont know if people play on it. I hope so, Ive played on gp enough:) New hotkeys are also nice, but I dont think theyll make a big difference for me, I dont play on such a high lvl.

Well if youre 100% sure that you click on the opponent unit the yes it must be the lag but it has to be huge. Generally the attack move bug this way in big battles.
Aslo another scenario where attack move often bugs in when you group together units that are in different parts of the map and you attack move with them.
Also be sure to click just once after attack move and with the left click (right also works but fails more).
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shaolinstar wrote:Russia ? Rather Dutch
Dutch are hardly a top civ on nilla. They aren''t as bad as they are on TAD, but that is only because there are fewer civs for them to be beaten by on nilla lol. You should only play Dutch if you love to FF (because that''s the only strategy you will be using) and love to lose (because you will be losing 90% of the time if you play an equal player).
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only reason dutch are better is because you dont need anti cav (skirms are anticav)
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Skirms have 1.5x vs goons on nilla, but they do the same damage to goons as on TAD. On TAD they have x2 vs ranged cav but also x.75 vs cav which nets to x1.5.
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There are no bonusses in nilla skirm vs goon. I've tested it
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princeofkabul wrote:There are no bonusses in nilla skirm vs goon. I''ve tested it
Lol I remember you tested it with me but we fucked up the calculations, I tested it again and it''s there.
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How did we fuck it up? Skirm was hitting good and made 18 damage? Which is base attack of nilla skirm right?
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Or we didnt count resist or what, can't remember
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I guess we must've messed up the resist, I went with this nilla guy and did skirm vs war wagon so no range resist, then we did on TAD and it was the same damage.
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it's x1.5 on nilla and x2 x0.75 on tad
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papist wrote:
shaolinstar wrote:Russia ? Rather Dutch
Dutch are hardly a top civ on nilla. They arent as bad as they are on TAD, but that is only because there are fewer civs for them to be beaten by on nilla lol. You should only play Dutch if you love to FF (because thats the only strategy you will be using) and love to lose (because you will be losing 90% of the time if you play an equal player).


I urge you to watch PK Nilla tourneys recs. Dutch are not forced to FF either since their colonial is pretty good. "because you will be losing 90% of the time" on nilla ? you must be joking :/
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shaolinstar wrote:
papist wrote:Dutch are hardly a top civ on nilla. They arent as bad as they are on TAD, but that is only because there are fewer civs for them to be beaten by on nilla lol. You should only play Dutch if you love to FF (because thats the only strategy you will be using) and love to lose (because you will be losing 90% of the time if you play an equal player).
I urge you to watch PK Nilla tourneys recs. Dutch are not forced to FF either since skirms are pretty good. "because you will be losing 90% of the time" on nilla ? you must be joking :/
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