Why is Iroquois considered so overpowered?

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incog wrote:i have that cardiff guy pested lol, i''m such an asshole

basically he asked for a game when he was a 2nd lt with a 43% win rate. he said he was new to the game and just looking to improve

so i''m like OK i''ll just play this guy

and i just get rekt in a jap mirror, not like i played well but he was no 2nd lt

i figured he was a smurf and he kept asking me for games after that and i got annoyed

sorry cardiff q_q

tbh i checked a couple weeks later and he was a major with 43% win rate.

that guy is 100% a smurf

how he can be? Cause of reaching major with iro?
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because he maintained the 43% win rate

though maybe i'm wrong idk
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incog wrote:he said he was new to the game and just looking to improve


I hate people who lie that they r new and then turn out to be really old time players
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rsy wrote:
incog wrote:he said he was new to the game and just looking to improve
I hate people who lie that they r new and then turn out to be really old time players
This is a huge reason why I am playing less and less. Im playing people near my rank (around captian) and Im just getting destroyed by many of them who are clearly not my level and way above where Im at. Its really strange to see some captains just play way better than the player you know is the correct rank. Im just sick of it. I know some people use maphack but its really not possible to prove because Ryzon doesnt care anymore about that issue.
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it's also important to just not underestimate anybody regardless of what they tell you.
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cowhax wrote:it''s also important to just not underestimate anybody regardless of what they tell you.
I don''t underestimate anyone but if someone was truly a captain after so many games, they shouldn''t be playing at SUCH a higher level than I do.
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aoefan4life wrote:
rsy wrote:I hate people who lie that they r new and then turn out to be really old time players
This is a huge reason why I am playing less and less. Im playing people near my rank (around captian) and Im just getting destroyed by many of them who are clearly not my level and way above where Im at. Its really strange to see some captains just play way better than the player you know is the correct rank. Im just sick of it. I know some people use maphack but its really not possible to prove because Ryzon doesnt care anymore about that issue.
There is an absolutely huge variety of people in the rank captain. Ive played some captains and beaten them with almost no effort and played other captains and and been absolutely dismantled. It has the biggest verity of skill and the farthest lying outliers of any rank, at least from what Ive observed. Not sure why though. Maybe because its the highest rank you can get to without actually having a good understanding of the game, so people whos sole purpose in life is to gain pr get to captain and cant get any farther and still suck at the game while others are great but dont put any effort into ranking up and play bad match ups. Idk but Ive seen captains with elo in the 1700 and captains with elo in the 2400.
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Yes because their known accounts is PR 35+
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Who would do such a thing?
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princeofkabul wrote:Who would do such a thing?
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Playing rated is kind of a mess, to be frank.

If you QS you can easily get fucked up by the map, sometimes the match up is bad as well but then again if you're smart you take a civ which is suitable for QS in the first place. Otherwise sometimes you get laggy players. Minus these defaults, I really like QS on principle, since you can get into a large variety of different situations which contributes well to game understanding.

Lobby rated is also good however you often cherry-pick your match ups and settings. I guess it's "more fair".

However for good practice I think spamming unrated games with a friend on garja's maps (tournament maps) is probably the best.
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yeah iro and otto are OP. BUT INDIA TOO. why dont you ban india in asc?
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paul wrote:yeah iro and otto are OP. BUT INDIA TOO. why dont you ban india in asc?

Because india isn''t?
Because it gets owned by iro and otto, and has a fair MU vs japan/sioux/azzy/France and german?
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diarouga wrote:
paul wrote:yeah iro and otto are OP. BUT INDIA TOO. why dont you ban india in asc?
Because india isnt?
Because it gets owned by iro and otto, and has a fair MU vs japan/sioux/azzy/France and german?


india vs french/german are fair MUs? omg
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paul wrote:
diarouga wrote:Because india isnt?
Because it gets owned by iro and otto, and has a fair MU vs japan/sioux/azzy/France and german?
india vs french/german are fair MUs? omg
I dont play german but I prefer having fre vs india than indiaf vs fre.
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gibson wrote:
aoefan4life wrote:This is a huge reason why I am playing less and less. Im playing people near my rank (around captian) and Im just getting destroyed by many of them who are clearly not my level and way above where Im at. Its really strange to see some captains just play way better than the player you know is the correct rank. Im just sick of it. I know some people use maphack but its really not possible to prove because Ryzon doesnt care anymore about that issue.
There is an absolutely huge variety of people in the rank captain. Ive played some captains and beaten them with almost no effort and played other captains and and been absolutely dismantled. It has the biggest verity of skill and the farthest lying outliers of any rank, at least from what Ive observed. Not sure why though. Maybe because its the highest rank you can get to without actually having a good understanding of the game, so people whos sole purpose in life is to gain pr get to captain and cant get any farther and still suck at the game while others are great but dont put any effort into ranking up and play bad match ups. Idk but Ive seen captains with elo in the 1700 and captains with elo in the 2400.
Maybe also because captain is the rank where you start to decay? You get to captain, dont play for a week, decay and get back to captain endlessly. Some people are good enough to get passed captain, but dont play enough to pass captain.
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paul wrote:yeah iro and otto are OP. BUT INDIA TOO. why dont you ban india in asc?
Because Indians aren''t anywhere near as strong as Iroquois and Ottomans, and several other civilizations other than the aforementioned are arguably just as good.
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he ofc isnt new, he used to play in 2008
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zoom wrote:
paul wrote:yeah iro and otto are OP. BUT INDIA TOO. why dont you ban india in asc?
Because Indians arent anywhere near as strong as Iroquois and Ottomans, and several other civilizations other than the aforementioned are arguably just as good.
I should add Im sure Garja would disagree with me, though...
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ahah you so annoying targeting at me

Yes India is no way close to Iros. No other civs are not just as good.
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I just realized upon posting the reply above that you would probably disagree considering opinions of yours previously shared. I thought it was relevant to mention. I don't know whether I would call it targeting you in any aggressive or insulting manner.

I think Japanese and Indians are very close, and both civilizations are better than the rest of the field on maps with relatively low hunts. I also think British are just as good as Indians and almost as good as Japanese on maps with high hunts. There are a few civilizations that aren't far behind.
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u always target me ahah
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If you feel that way, I'll try to act in a way that makes you feel less as such.
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zoom wrote:I just realized upon posting the reply above that you would probably disagree considering opinions of yours previously shared. I thought it was relevant to mention. I don''t know whether I would call it targeting you in any aggressive or insulting manner.

I think Japanese and Indians are very close, and both civilizations are better than the rest of the field on maps with relatively low hunts. I also think British are just as good as Indians and almost as good as Japanese on maps with high hunts. There are a few civilizations that aren''t far behind.
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Iro can actually have units with stats almost equivalent to european guard units (not royal). Those are 50% more hp and attack. Iro can get 52% attack more and 40% hp

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