Tournament civ restrictions

aoefan4life · Post by **aoefan4life** » 06 Jun 2015, 08:58

I'm glad that Iroq/otto are banned! What about Japan, india and sioux? Should they be banned as well?

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 06 Jun 2015, 09:01

sioux should be banned but india and japan are not lame... they need skills

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 06 Jun 2015, 09:07

Japan and india aren't op, if we bann these civs we also have to bann brit/azzy and maybe fre/ger.
I think fre and brit are as good as jap or india.
Sioux is easy to play but it isn't op.
Jap/india/brit/fre/ger/azzy can win quite easily.

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 06 Jun 2015, 09:23

india cant beat proper sioux the way nagayumi and BS play it

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 06 Jun 2015, 09:37

I think last tournament sioux nominated itself for a ban. Still think that the mechanics of sioux are completely wrong and deserve no place in a high lvl tournament

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 06 Jun 2015, 09:40

Fre>sioux, german>sioux, Japon>sioux and brit>sioux.
Also, many people forget they can wall and sioux can't deal with wall.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 06 Jun 2015, 10:40

Fre & Brit > Sioux isn't that obvious.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 06 Jun 2015, 10:41

Well,
When I said quite easily I meant that you can win someone who is as good as you.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 06 Jun 2015, 10:59

Of course you can, it's not an impossible mu. But I still think it's in favour of Sioux unless you do the cdb stuff.

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 06 Jun 2015, 11:47

Sioux is a controversial civilization however they are countered by a couple of different civilizations for sure, Japan for one.

They might be a problem if you accept to play them in their good match ups. It's an interesting dynamic, if you want to play Sioux you need to keep one of their counter-civs ready, just in case.

I'm not sure about banning them but those who want to see them gone have good reasons for that, for sure.

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 06 Jun 2015, 12:06

diarouga wrote:Also, many people forget they can wall and sioux can''t deal with wall.

seige dance?

Papist · Post by **Papist** » 06 Jun 2015, 14:27

hazza54321 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Also, many people forget they can wall and sioux cant deal with wall.
seige dance?

They dont get that in age 2.

But Brit, Fre,and German do NOT beat Sioux. Even if you do camp behind a wall for the first 10 minutes of the game, you are going to become very food-starved very quickly. And it is likely that Sioux will have aged up and popped some dog soldiers by the time you do so, making your chances of winning minimal. A wall would only work to repulse an early rush, but Sioux usually go for a mid-colonial timing anyways so it is kind of a moot point. Besides, German and French are both cav civs (opting for cav FFs most games) which is not going to be effective against the civ that has the best anticav in the game.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 06 Jun 2015, 15:38

papist wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:seige dance?
They dont get that in age 2.

But Brit, Fre,and German do NOT beat Sioux. Even if you do camp behind a wall for the first 10 minutes of the game, you are going to become very food-starved very quickly. And it is likely that Sioux will have aged up and popped some dog soldiers by the time you do so, making your chances of winning minimal. A wall would only work to repulse an early rush, but Sioux usually go for a mid-colonial timing anyways so it is kind of a moot point. Besides, German and French are both cav civs (opting for cav FFs most games) which is not going to be effective against the civ that has the best anticav in the game.

fre>'sioux, Im quite sure.
brit and germany are close to sioux.

cowhax · Post by **cowhax** » 06 Jun 2015, 15:53

I think Sioux beats Germany on paper.

divine_moon · Post by **divine_moon** » 06 Jun 2015, 15:56

stop picking on sioux....

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 06 Jun 2015, 17:46

personally i think sioux should be banned

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 06 Jun 2015, 18:03

diarouga wrote:I think fre and brit are as good as jap or india.

LOL. Sorry this laughs me. You compare fre which is a normal civ to jap and india which are OP.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 06 Jun 2015, 18:07

marco1698 wrote:
diarouga wrote:I think fre and brit are as good as jap or india.
LOL. Sorry this laughs me. You compare fre which is a normal civ to jap and india which are OP.

Who are you? Marco1698 the noob captain who plays for 2 years and doesnt improve because he thinks he knows everything?

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 06 Jun 2015, 18:24

Peace be upon you guys

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 06 Jun 2015, 19:30

marco1698 wrote:
diarouga wrote:I think fre and brit are as good as jap or india.
LOL. Sorry this laughs me. You compare fre which is a normal civ to jap and india which are OP.

Define "normal".

Nymphomaniac · Post by **Nymphomaniac** » 06 Jun 2015, 19:30

People just saying OP to any civ they loose to nowadays (zzz). I think banning otto,iro is more than enough, rest of civs are fine.
P.S. - saying India, Japan are OP is like saying China is OP (in 4th age that is) ..

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 06 Jun 2015, 21:09

China is indeed OP from age 3. It has the most cost-effective units. It may have the sh*ttest eco, it will still rival you militarily.

lory1 · Post by **lory1** » 06 Jun 2015, 22:38

diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote:LOL. Sorry this laughs me. You compare fre which is a normal civ to jap and india which are OP.
Who are you? Marco1698 the noob captain who plays for 2 years and doesnt improve because he thinks he knows everything?

dont be mad man. Its just a game. I still think India japs are far better than French. I am not a noob I play since some years and I am pr 30 on nilla. I didnt play for a while so I am still capt or so.

Mr_Bramboy · Post by **Mr_Bramboy** » 06 Jun 2015, 22:52

diarouga wrote:Fre>'sioux, german>'sioux, Japon>'sioux and brit>'sioux.

I don''t agree at all with that statement. French and Japan vs Sioux is a fair matchup, probably even in favor of Sioux. I''m not sure about British and Germans because I haven''t played those mu''s a lot, but I''m pretty sure a bow rider semi beats both British and Germans.

[img]http://i.gyazo.com/7e679fe729cd22fcd722bd2d396814bc.png[/img]

These games, all (my) Sioux vs French, played against MCJim were all won by me. I consider Jim to be a player just as good as I am, so I doubt a major skill difference influenced these games. Here''s one of them:

http://www.agecommunity.com/stats/GameS ... =en-US&amp'GameID=ded148e7-0f99-4960-b742-3cfbd216748f&'sFlag=2&'md=ZS_Custom

aoefan4life · Post by **aoefan4life** » 07 Jun 2015, 02:57

I just think for a more competitive tournament, there should be more civ restrictions.

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