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Dragoon
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ESO: poissondu44
Location: France

05 Nov 2019, 18:18

wtf can i do? i have 50 lead score but cant win a fight
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ESOC Fertile Crescent
ESOC Fertile Crescent
Rules: Supremacy (1v1)
Version: ESOC Patch 6.1
Length: 25 minutes
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India Challenger_Marco
Lancer
Posts: 924
ESO: TheJASS
Location: Massachusetts ,Boston

05 Nov 2019, 18:51

You can't do anything Vs big boy Dennis,in 234....resign
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China fei123456
Jaeger
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ESO: fei123456
Location: Alderaan

05 Nov 2019, 20:39

700g-700w-8 pikemen (7 rod in EP)-5 lancer, 12 pikemen, 4 lancer
Mass lancer and win. Skirm cannon don't work in this MU.
China don't have dragoon so lancer+dog+pike is great, and in EP it should be even better (you have 5+4 lancer 9+8 rodelero).
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Canada dansil92
Lancer
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05 Nov 2019, 21:06

Lancer-huss-rod/pike is great. Skirms and falcs are meh vs opening deathball china anyways. The lack of a real goon means huss lancer can beat everything but intervention. Changdao suck vs lancers
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France chronique
Dragoon
Posts: 269
ESO: poissondu44
Location: France

05 Nov 2019, 21:30

Lancer sux, this unit is worth than vet hussard. China just need to spam there cav + redcoat and rect your lancer rodo compo. And more the game is longest more this mu looks unplayable. Probably an other mu where the best way is ff allonie and light a candle.
No Flag Astaroth
Dragoon
Posts: 202

05 Nov 2019, 21:45

Revolt?

Check the NWC tabben vs diarouga game or Umeu's games.

I feel revolt is kinda hard to hold as China. Mass imperial huss are strong and CM do fine VS China cav. Plus some heavy cannons.
Great Britain Hazza54321
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05 Nov 2019, 22:59

yeah i also think lancers are shit vs china, if u gonna cav do vet huss
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Italy Garja
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06 Nov 2019, 00:16

probably worth to have 5 lancers flanking the skirms and rest of huss fighting in front
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Germany Dennis234
Crossbow
Posts: 12
ESO: Dennis234
Location: Hannover

06 Nov 2019, 10:02

@Challenger_Marco That's right 234 too good
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Germany Paul312
Musketeer
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ESO: Paul312
Location: Cologne

06 Nov 2019, 10:05

Dennis234chill xD
hpc xD

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Australia Kawapasaka
Lancer
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Location: Wales (new, south)

06 Nov 2019, 10:07

Revolt can be very scary for fortress China yeah, you have a deceptively small window to get Spain's TC down and if you don't have hand mortars in deck you're pretty much screwed, unless you just straight blind FI or something but idk if that beats a greedier revolt.
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No Flag Astaroth
Dragoon
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06 Nov 2019, 10:17

Yeah, if China FIs, Spain can just get 2 factories etc. Not sure if age4 China can hold the revolt, especially since it hits earlier with a bigger mass. Rattans also aren't that useful VS imp huss.

China can push hard in Age3, but Spain can hold with a fort or even adapt in time (eg if China goes forward) with Age3 play.
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France [Armag] diarouga
Gendarme
NWC LAN Gold
Posts: 9798
ESO: diarouga
Location: France

06 Nov 2019, 11:01

Revolt is a scary cheese yea. Only works if unexpected tho.
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Netherlands Mr_Bramboy
ESOC Media Team
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ESO: mr_bramboy
Location: Amsterdam

06 Nov 2019, 11:24

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Revolt is a scary cheese yea. Only works if unexpected tho.

In your game vs tabben at the LAN, what was the moment that you realized he was revolting, and how did you plan to defeat the revolt?
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France [Armag] diarouga
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NWC LAN Gold
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ESO: diarouga
Location: France

06 Nov 2019, 11:39

Mr_Bramboy wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Revolt is a scary cheese yea. Only works if unexpected tho.

In your game vs tabben at the LAN, what was the moment that you realized he was revolting, and how did you plan to defeat the revolt?

When I saw the fort. Thus I had to kill the fort instead of the TC (which means GG).

The plan was to kill the heavies with my boats and beat his militia/huss army with my land army but the huss were too strong.
I needed to wall and buy time.
France chronique
Dragoon
Posts: 269
ESO: poissondu44
Location: France

06 Nov 2019, 14:33

Yea revolt is pretty strong vs china but, well, i can't consider revo like "normal bo" vs anything. If your opponent know how counter your stuff you are just so dead. I have other cheese vs china but i want try some "meta" game vs them, and i am not sure i can do that.
No Flag Astaroth
Dragoon
Posts: 202

06 Nov 2019, 17:14

Well, I'm not an expert on Spain, but can't you "semi revolt"?

As in: play normal Age3, but don't push too hard, mass rods and vet huss, send 2 falcs etc (maybe push early on and then go back). Keep raiding him with huss/Rods, don't overextend.

For China, pushing vs 2 falcs is hard, unless you have 7 hand mortars, but even then. China will also be afraid of a big trap of melee units (rod/huss).

So eventually send resource crates, go age4, he will push then, revolt and trap.
France chronique
Dragoon
Posts: 269
ESO: poissondu44
Location: France

06 Nov 2019, 18:06

Its better to fast revo imo.
Georgia Qosashvili93
Crossbow
Posts: 37
ESO: Qosashvili93

06 Nov 2019, 18:55

Resign vs china
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Brazil Majora_
Musketeer
Posts: 65
ESO: Majora_

12 Nov 2019, 14:58

what about a church FF? me and my friend (both pr25) were discussing about that strat, it felt kinda hard for china to hold that
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Germany Lukas_L99
Howdah
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Posts: 1528
ESO: Lukas_L99
Location: Frankfurt

12 Nov 2019, 15:06

Majora_ wrote:what about a church FF? me and my friend (both pr25) were discussing about that strat, it felt kinda hard for china to hold that


8 skirm age up with intervention+7 hand mortars should beat that I think, but I guess it could work, especially if china doesn't have hand mortars in deck.
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Brazil Majora_
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ESO: Majora_

12 Nov 2019, 15:15

Lukas_L99 wrote:
Majora_ wrote:what about a church FF? me and my friend (both pr25) were discussing about that strat, it felt kinda hard for china to hold that


8 skirm age up with intervention+7 hand mortars should beat that I think, but I guess it could work, especially if china doesn't have hand mortars in deck.

idk if its possible due to time issues, but what do you think about shipping manchu as 1st 3rdAge card?
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Germany Lukas_L99
Howdah
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ESO: Lukas_L99
Location: Frankfurt

12 Nov 2019, 15:23

Majora_ wrote:
Lukas_L99 wrote:
Majora_ wrote:what about a church FF? me and my friend (both pr25) were discussing about that strat, it felt kinda hard for china to hold that


8 skirm age up with intervention+7 hand mortars should beat that I think, but I guess it could work, especially if china doesn't have hand mortars in deck.

idk if its possible due to time issues, but what do you think about shipping manchu as 1st 3rdAge card?


I like it vs Ger or France, but I think it could be a little slow vs Spain.
France chronique
Dragoon
Posts: 269
ESO: poissondu44
Location: France

12 Nov 2019, 16:41

Halebardier are so bad overall. To slow.
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Brazil Majora_
Musketeer
Posts: 65
ESO: Majora_

12 Nov 2019, 16:53

they have good siege why dont you give it a try?

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