Garja wrote:Your logic is bad (surely mine is better) but I don't feel the urge to repeat it every post I make.momuuu wrote:If you make EP QS the only ladder then nobody will even bother switching to ESOC ladders and simply continue using ELO ladders. For there'd be little reason to refer to EP ELO as there are way too few games. But this is garja using his poor logic to derail a thread. The point is that I think jp ELO needs a reset in the form of our own ladder that works basically in the same way but without the inflated ELO.
In case you didn't notice people are playing rated on the EP and the EP only ladder is working just fine. After some months it is actually producing a rather decent represantion of player's skill level, despite the fact that no real enforcing incentive has been put in place. Basically players are playing on the EP solely because they enjoy it more and because tourneys are held on that patch, so there they find the most useful practice games. And yet the next tourney could make use of the current ESOC ladder and give a rather trusty seed placement.
I've been asking for a larger employment of the ESOC ladder way before you and with more foresight than what you're doing right now.
At the moment, the main problem for a larger EP employment is coordination. Most of players just have a hard time finding opponents of the same level. Previously used mechanisms to bypass this issue were for example the EP user base thread or, more recently, the scheduling through the Discord channel. We need something more enforcing and automated to solve the coordination problem.
The next step is to make the EP ladder mandatory for ESOC related events. This way there is simply no choice between playing EP or playing RE. But in order to legitimate it statistically we need players to play on random conditions (quicksearch) and not biaised ones (hosted games).
Right now QS isn't ready to be competitive (we need civ fix first and then a proper map pool for qs).
Its amazing really. At first you claim you have much more knowledge about the state of affairs than I do, and then you think the qs map pool isn't proper. Are you at all aware that EP QS actually is using EP maps?
Anyways, your point is still stupid. For the readers that want to be convinced: If you diligently browse the forums you'll see garja claiming it is only a matter of time until anyone is playing EP. Garja, when you restrict stuff to EP ladder only, you'll just get a shitty system because people won't fully switch to EP. The truth is that it's just too hard to consistently get EP games going because theres a much larger playerbase that just won't bother to switch. I already mentioned it but you ignored it, but lets go again: 1st lts wont switch, ever. Captains won't really bother switching because half of their potential opponents (1st lts) won't switch, and then down the lane it gets better but thats also where we're looking at 250 players total.
It just doesnt work, its fine for tournaments and dedicated people but we won't dictate the community. Forcing EP quicksearch on everyone (quick search isn't everyone's favorite gametype anyways, because some people don't like randomly being countercived as fuck or playing a tp civ on no tp maps) is just silly. People will just perceive this is some bullshit dictator action by esoc and simply resent EP even more.
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