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Would really enjoy being able to do this to show my displeasure with certain posts.

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Could b we enable self-likes. No one gets me, man BUTT me.

Weirdly not getting any "likes" on the first post of this thread. Maybe an issue with the site? Dev team should look into this. @EAGLEMUT (I would tag others here but I can't remember any other dev team members off the top of my head)

deleted_user wrote:Could b we enable self-likes. No one gets me, man BUTT me.

This is another great site suggestion. The previous thread about this got locked for some reason, but it should still be implemented

Ears always listen, and listening is a great trait to have, especially in a role of group representation, like a moderator.

Some fascists might think that being a moderator isn't representing anyone, but they're fascists.

I agree: anybody who doesn't support me as a moderator is a fascist. I realize that certain people may take this as a compliment, but I don't want their endorsement anyway

I don't think it's a good idea. It would just make people only post safe opinions, or ones that can get them thumbs ups. (This kind of thing is why reddit is just hundreds of people expressing the same opinion with virtually no discussion.) I think it's much healthier for the community to have to respond and say why you disagree with a post instead of just pushing a button.

Another question is: Should the people who thumbs down a comment by anonymous?

i'm not for it, but i dont see why it would make people only post safe opinions. It's not like you will get executed if you have X amount of downvotes. If you only post for likes, and won't post out of fear of dislikes, perhaps there's something wrong with how you deal with feedback, rather than with the button that allows the expression of said feedback.

And if there is such a button, it most definitely shouldn't be anonymous.

We discussed this once already and we came to the conclusion that it would just create toxicity without any net benefit. Write a post if you disagree, ignore the other one if he's dumb and be done with it.

Could you guess for how long someone like Metis would have stayed here if ESOC had dislikes? Not for too long I guess. You just had to agree once in a while and he was satisfied. Many likes express don't even express a "I like that" anymore. It is used for memeing a lot, so I'd say that ESOC is fine here.

hit that button

The question is if Ear is trying to dig his own grave with this request.

still think we should get a notification for every like. although i do get pleasantly surprised when i look back on a thread and see 13 likes.

Hazza54321 wrote:still think we should get a notification for every like. although i do get pleasantly surprised when i look back on a thread and see 13 likes.

so you want to receive 13 notifications for every post you make?

well just do it like instagram or whatever, just say for example brookg and 12 others liked your post

So the answer is yes (but delete previous unread notifications).

umeu wrote:i'm not for it, but i dont see why it would make people only post safe opinions. It's not like you will get executed if you have X amount of downvotes. If you only post for likes, and won't post out of fear of dislikes, perhaps there's something wrong with how you deal with feedback, rather than with the button that allows the expression of said feedback.

And if there is such a button, it most definitely shouldn't be anonymous.

People won't bother saying something if it feels like they're just screaming into the wind, even if what they're saying is true, even if what they're saying needs to be said. The current system is good because if someone says something unpopular they can brush off their zero likes easily, yet good-popular posts are given encouragement through likes.

If someone says something serious and checks the next day to see 20 down votes that person is going to get the impression that no one wants to hear what he has to say. He'll have no desire to post on the topic any further. In a very subtle manner this will homogenize and sterilize discussion into people just circlejerking. Instead of actually discussing different ideas, people will try to one-up each other over their loyalty to ideas that all of them do or pretend to share. Humor will be reduced to unoffensive references to media or quirky randomness, because that is the safest thing to post. Trolls and troublemakers will be much more abrasive because it will be much easier for them to get negative responses, so this will also act as a form of encouragement.

By adding an approve/disapprove feature you are, in a sense, democratizing the community. This isn't good because it creates a false image of what the community is like and what it thinks. People will naturally try to conform to that artificially constructed image. Healthy communities are instead nurtured through a dialectical process where every member expresses their ideas. This allows a group to develop organically and naturally. This group will create its own unique identity, and be less dependent on humor, beliefs, etc imported from other sites.

I'm not that subject to social-pressure; I'm sure you're aware that I have little qualm saying controversial things. But that's different because I'm not half as invested in ESOC as the majority of users here. The aoe3 scene is a very small community, so it's easy to imagine the subconscious influence it would have on someone to see real-life friends and lots of people they respect say they disagree with something all at once.

Amsel_ wrote:

umeu wrote:i'm not for it, but i dont see why it would make people only post safe opinions. It's not like you will get executed if you have X amount of downvotes. If you only post for likes, and won't post out of fear of dislikes, perhaps there's something wrong with how you deal with feedback, rather than with the button that allows the expression of said feedback.

And if there is such a button, it most definitely shouldn't be anonymous.

People won't bother saying something if it feels like they're just screaming into the wind, even if what they're saying is true, even if what they're saying needs to be said. The current system is good because if someone says something unpopular they can brush off their zero likes easily, yet good-popular posts are given encouragement through likes.

If someone says something serious and checks the next day to see 20 down votes that person is going to get the impression that no one wants to hear what he has to say. He'll have no desire to post on the topic any further. In a very subtle manner this will homogenize and sterilize discussion into people just circlejerking. Instead of actually discussing different ideas, people will try to one-up each other over their loyalty to ideas that all of them do or pretend to share. Humor will be reduced to unoffensive references to media or quirky randomness, because that is the safest thing to post. Trolls and troublemakers will be much more abrasive because it will be much easier for them to get negative responses, so this will also act as a form of encouragement.

By adding an approve/disapprove feature you are, in a sense, democratizing the community. This isn't good because it creates a false image of what the community is like and what it thinks. People will naturally try to conform to that artificially constructed image. Healthy communities are instead nurtured through a dialectical process where every member expresses their ideas. This allows a group to develop organically and naturally. This group will create its own unique identity, and be less dependent on humor, beliefs, etc imported from other sites.

I'm not that subject to social-pressure; I'm sure you're aware that I have little qualm saying controversial things. But that's different because I'm not half as invested in ESOC as the majority of users here. The aoe3 scene is a very small community, so it's easy to imagine the subconscious influence it would have on someone to see real-life friends and lots of people they respect say they disagree with something all at once.

this is mostly assumption on your part, it might be the case what you say, but there's really no necessary cause or even any compelling reason for it to go as you say. The part about trolls is probably true. After that you go on your typical Amsel ramble and you state all kinds of theories without any kind of argument or facts to back it up. It's ideology, pure and simple. The like button hasn't really decreased post traffic afaik, it mostly facilitates people to lazy to post, and if people who post use it, they would've posted anyway without the dislike button. I don't see why it's any different with a dislike button.

As for the last part, if a bunch of dislikes on a forum hurt your ego so much, then perhaps you have to reevaluate your self-esteem issues rather than the like/dislike button.

Imo, it's not so much a dislike button that's problematic, it's rather most people's inability to cope with criticism or just negativity in general.

Hazza54321 wrote:still think we should get a notification for every like. although i do get pleasantly surprised when i look back on a thread and see 13 likes.

please no. taking out notifications for every like is the best thing they did so far!

we should get it so i can dislike every post @gibson makes for being a moron

umeu wrote:

Amsel_ wrote:

umeu wrote:i'm not for it, but i dont see why it would make people only post safe opinions. It's not like you will get executed if you have X amount of downvotes. If you only post for likes, and won't post out of fear of dislikes, perhaps there's something wrong with how you deal with feedback, rather than with the button that allows the expression of said feedback.

And if there is such a button, it most definitely shouldn't be anonymous.

People won't bother saying something if it feels like they're just screaming into the wind, even if what they're saying is true, even if what they're saying needs to be said. The current system is good because if someone says something unpopular they can brush off their zero likes easily, yet good-popular posts are given encouragement through likes.

If someone says something serious and checks the next day to see 20 down votes that person is going to get the impression that no one wants to hear what he has to say. He'll have no desire to post on the topic any further. In a very subtle manner this will homogenize and sterilize discussion into people just circlejerking. Instead of actually discussing different ideas, people will try to one-up each other over their loyalty to ideas that all of them do or pretend to share. Humor will be reduced to unoffensive references to media or quirky randomness, because that is the safest thing to post. Trolls and troublemakers will be much more abrasive because it will be much easier for them to get negative responses, so this will also act as a form of encouragement.

By adding an approve/disapprove feature you are, in a sense, democratizing the community. This isn't good because it creates a false image of what the community is like and what it thinks. People will naturally try to conform to that artificially constructed image. Healthy communities are instead nurtured through a dialectical process where every member expresses their ideas. This allows a group to develop organically and naturally. This group will create its own unique identity, and be less dependent on humor, beliefs, etc imported from other sites.

I'm not that subject to social-pressure; I'm sure you're aware that I have little qualm saying controversial things. But that's different because I'm not half as invested in ESOC as the majority of users here. The aoe3 scene is a very small community, so it's easy to imagine the subconscious influence it would have on someone to see real-life friends and lots of people they respect say they disagree with something all at once.

this is mostly assumption on your part, it might be the case what you say, but there's really no necessary cause or even any compelling reason for it to go as you say. The part about trolls is probably true. After that you go on your typical Amsel ramble and you state all kinds of theories without any kind of argument or facts to back it up. It's ideology, pure and simple. The like button hasn't really decreased post traffic afaik, it mostly facilitates people to lazy to post, and if people who post use it, they would've posted anyway without the dislike button. I don't see why it's any different with a dislike button.

As for the last part, if a bunch of dislikes on a forum hurt your ego so much, then perhaps you have to reevaluate your self-esteem issues rather than the like/dislike button.

Imo, it's not so much a dislike button that's problematic, it's rather most people's inability to cope with criticism or just negativity in general.

All of this would happen on a completely subconscious level. Unless you are consciously trying to avoid it, you will fall victim to this sort of social conditioning. It's not a question of ego. It's not a question of "putting on your big boy pants," "manning up," growing a pair," etc. The strongest, smartest, weakest, and dumbest men and women are all affected by this sort of Pavlovian positive/negative reinforcement everyday. I don't know why you deny social pressure every time we talk about it.

If there's anything you want me to clarify, I would be happy to do so. But most of the things I've said should be understandable through a basic positive/negative stimuli perspective on likes/dislikes.

Amsel_ wrote:

umeu wrote:

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Amsel_ wrote:

umeu wrote:i'm not for it, but i dont see why it would make people only post safe opinions. It's not like you will get executed if you have X amount of downvotes. If you only post for likes, and won't post out of fear of dislikes, perhaps there's something wrong with how you deal with feedback, rather than with the button that allows the expression of said feedback.

And if there is such a button, it most definitely shouldn't be anonymous.

People won't bother saying something if it feels like they're just screaming into the wind, even if what they're saying is true, even if what they're saying needs to be said. The current system is good because if someone says something unpopular they can brush off their zero likes easily, yet good-popular posts are given encouragement through likes.

If someone says something serious and checks the next day to see 20 down votes that person is going to get the impression that no one wants to hear what he has to say. He'll have no desire to post on the topic any further. In a very subtle manner this will homogenize and sterilize discussion into people just circlejerking. Instead of actually discussing different ideas, people will try to one-up each other over their loyalty to ideas that all of them do or pretend to share. Humor will be reduced to unoffensive references to media or quirky randomness, because that is the safest thing to post. Trolls and troublemakers will be much more abrasive because it will be much easier for them to get negative responses, so this will also act as a form of encouragement.

By adding an approve/disapprove feature you are, in a sense, democratizing the community. This isn't good because it creates a false image of what the community is like and what it thinks. People will naturally try to conform to that artificially constructed image. Healthy communities are instead nurtured through a dialectical process where every member expresses their ideas. This allows a group to develop organically and naturally. This group will create its own unique identity, and be less dependent on humor, beliefs, etc imported from other sites.

I'm not that subject to social-pressure; I'm sure you're aware that I have little qualm saying controversial things. But that's different because I'm not half as invested in ESOC as the majority of users here. The aoe3 scene is a very small community, so it's easy to imagine the subconscious influence it would have on someone to see real-life friends and lots of people they respect say they disagree with something all at once.

this is mostly assumption on your part, it might be the case what you say, but there's really no necessary cause or even any compelling reason for it to go as you say. The part about trolls is probably true. After that you go on your typical Amsel ramble and you state all kinds of theories without any kind of argument or facts to back it up. It's ideology, pure and simple. The like button hasn't really decreased post traffic afaik, it mostly facilitates people to lazy to post, and if people who post use it, they would've posted anyway without the dislike button. I don't see why it's any different with a dislike button.

As for the last part, if a bunch of dislikes on a forum hurt your ego so much, then perhaps you have to reevaluate your self-esteem issues rather than the like/dislike button.

Imo, it's not so much a dislike button that's problematic, it's rather most people's inability to cope with criticism or just negativity in general.

All of this would happen on a completely subconscious level. Unless you are consciously trying to avoid it, you will fall victim to this sort of social conditioning. It's not a question of ego. It's not a question of "putting on your big boy pants," "manning up," growing a pair," etc. The strongest, smartest, weakest, and dumbest men and women are all affected by this sort of Pavlovian positive/negative reinforcement everyday. I don't know why you deny social pressure every time we talk about it.

If there's anything you want me to clarify, I would be happy to do so. But most of the things I've said should be understandable through a basic positive/negative stimuli perspective on likes/dislikes.

I'm not using those words. They are yours, and perhaps say something about your disposition, but don't put them on me. Social pressure exists, I don't deny it anywhere, but it's also something which can also largely be dealt with simple "mind tricks", or just generally being taught about certain philosophical theories and ideas. Your way of dealing with social pressure is just to build in more "protection", rather than teaching people how to deal with negativity, both when receiving it and expressing it. The fact that people only see likes and link such likes to their self-esteem is exactly what gets you people who are addicted to such forms of feedback and will adapt their posts in such a way as to get as many likes as possible, or to post primarily in order to receive likes.

n0el wrote:we should get it so i can dislike every post @gibson makes for being a moron

This but unironically