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fuck PR and also fuck elo
they're not very good indications of skills, they're more an indication of your progress. if you go up in elo, then you've improved. if you go down, it's a slump (current form).
i also hate this unhealthy obsession which people have about not losing. losing games doesn't mean anything. everyone has off games, everyone has games where they experiment, everyone has games where things go into chaos. there are games where you aren't familiar with the civ or the build you're trying to do and you lose site of the nuances which you need to think of. i don't care who you lost to, because that doesn't matter. you literally always lose to yourself.
Like, you can lose games off the back of someone else NOT having an off day. Just fuck that shit and play. Ladder and win % matters for shit in my eyes, what really matters is what you can bring to the table when you're bringing your A game to a tournament or show-match. what really matters is your A game, fuck the rest
they're not very good indications of skills, they're more an indication of your progress. if you go up in elo, then you've improved. if you go down, it's a slump (current form).
i also hate this unhealthy obsession which people have about not losing. losing games doesn't mean anything. everyone has off games, everyone has games where they experiment, everyone has games where things go into chaos. there are games where you aren't familiar with the civ or the build you're trying to do and you lose site of the nuances which you need to think of. i don't care who you lost to, because that doesn't matter. you literally always lose to yourself.
Like, you can lose games off the back of someone else NOT having an off day. Just fuck that shit and play. Ladder and win % matters for shit in my eyes, what really matters is what you can bring to the table when you're bringing your A game to a tournament or show-match. what really matters is your A game, fuck the rest
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Ive always found pr to be pretty accurate tbh. I don't know why people think it's not.
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because there arent enough players, so they can be reallly like before.jerom wrote:Ive always found pr to be pretty accurate tbh. I don''t know why people think it''s not.
PR22 now can be as good as PR20 in the past where there were alot of players.
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Source?thebritish wrote:PR22 now can be as good as PR20 in the past where there were alot of players.
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Thats true. Today ranks and elos are lower overall. Look at boneng who was 2k6-7 and now is 2k4, or nagayumi who was 2k9 and whos now 2k5.bramboy wrote:Source?thebritish wrote:PR22 now can be as good as PR20 in the past where there were alot of players.
Also with thd cheats, smurfing, ranks and elos are obviously lower.
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To be expected really. But I think ranks are accurate within like 3 pr. They're not dead on, sometimes someone gets a streak of lucky mu's or is in amazing shape for a while and goes on a slight winstreak, and sometimes the opposite happens.
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A few times ago diarouga said that majors aren''t even decent players xDDDDDjerom wrote:Diarougha, that division is useless. You have one catergory with like 80% of the community and one with 5% if not less.
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Well it depends, nilla majors arent.rikikipu wrote:A few times ago diarouga said that majors arent even decent players xDDDDDjerom wrote:Diarougha, that division is useless. You have one catergory with like 80% of the community and one with 5% if not less.
As for TAD, it depends on what you consider decent. But in game statistics, I dont think that some games between majors show how good or bad a civ is.
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Some games between majors don't prove much (although what is prove) but they can give a good idea of a specific match up.
Somewhere between captain and lt colonel you reach the point where all the players are basically slightly lesser versions of top players. Below that, there's a big divide where people are doing very inefficient random stuff and really can't even keep up with macro and micro.
Somewhere between captain and lt colonel you reach the point where all the players are basically slightly lesser versions of top players. Below that, there's a big divide where people are doing very inefficient random stuff and really can't even keep up with macro and micro.
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You can reach majors with a terrible game knowledge.jerom wrote:Some games between majors don''t prove much (although what is prove) but they can give a good idea of a specific match up.
Somewhere between captain and lt colonel you reach the point where all the players are basically slightly lesser versions of top players. Below that, there''s a big divide where people are doing very inefficient random stuff and really can''t even keep up with macro and micro.
But I don''t like to talk about rank, elo is more interesting imo. Major is 2k1-2 and I wouldn''t say that piroshiki for example is a decent player.
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I actually agree with what Jerom said.
PR system is more accurate. It will be more accurate.
Just blame people like Nayuki who just resign at 0.00 and do not want to level up.
PR system is more accurate. It will be more accurate.
Just blame people like Nayuki who just resign at 0.00 and do not want to level up.
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I agree with this, aka, I find it more accurate than the other posts.diarouga wrote:Imo 0-25 is beginner
25-30 middle level
30-35 good player
35+ very good player
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Fixation on pixelpoints over what the player is actually worth is just bad.
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aenna wrote:I agree with this, aka, I find it more accurate than the other posts.diarouga wrote:Imo 0-25 is beginner
25-30 middle level
30-35 good player
35+ very good player
why? It is insane.
There are 500 captain+ players. I dont know the exact numbers but I think there are more than 10000 players that log on per week. So lets call 95% of the player beginners. Lets just act like the difference between a pr 8 and a pr 24 is neglible, and for sure less important (as in, not important enough to differentiate them in tiers) than the difference between pr 28 and pr32. Im not exactly sure on the numbers, but I think there are less than 50 players that are pr35+.
Diaroughas tiers are almost dellusional they indicate a complete unawareness of whats going on in the lower levels lol. Its even weird to call pr 25-30 middle level, as even those players are significantly above average.
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Would you call someone who played 100 games a player? I dont. Imo we shouldnt even consider pr10- as players or member of an aoe community.jerom wrote:why? It is insane.aenna wrote:I agree with this, aka, I find it more accurate than the other posts.
There are 500 captain+ players. I dont know the exact numbers but I think there are more than 10000 players that log on per week. So lets call 95% of the player beginners. Lets just act like the difference between a pr 8 and a pr 24 is neglible, and for sure less important (as in, not important enough to differentiate them in tiers) than the difference between pr 28 and pr32. Im not exactly sure on the numbers, but I think there are less than 50 players that are pr35+.
Diaroughas tiers are almost dellusional they indicate a complete unawareness of whats going on in the lower levels lol. Its even weird to call pr 25-30 middle level, as even those players are significantly above average.
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Calm down. Most people play aoe3 for fun and I'm sure those who play competitively envy them. I do.
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diarouga wrote:Would you call someone who played 100 games a player? I dont. Imo we shouldnt even consider pr10- as players or member of an aoe community.jerom wrote:why? It is insane.
There are 500 captain+ players. I dont know the exact numbers but I think there are more than 10000 players that log on per week. So lets call 95% of the player beginners. Lets just act like the difference between a pr 8 and a pr 24 is neglible, and for sure less important (as in, not important enough to differentiate them in tiers) than the difference between pr 28 and pr32. Im not exactly sure on the numbers, but I think there are less than 50 players that are pr35+.
Diaroughas tiers are almost dellusional they indicate a complete unawareness of whats going on in the lower levels lol. Its even weird to call pr 25-30 middle level, as even those players are significantly above average.
what the hell? So someone who plays the game only is a player if they play X amount of games or have a certain rank, X being determined by you? Are you serouis? If someone plays one game, they are a player. Atm my pr is 25.07, so Im basically the lowest pr you can be and be a captian. According to elo, I am ranked 373/5592 for tad. So Im substantially better then average.....
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I agree with the idea - in fact I reale like it alot. Many of us are good p layer but "noobs". And we will stay "noobs". But still enjoy this game on our own level. I 2 love interjections game - thow he has been abcent for a long time. I alsow enjoyed "btw" games - but he stopped (sad about true).
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This is because people are too lazy to use another word than noob, really a noob should be a ''new player'', but the way its used it becomes entirely relative to the one who says it, therefore there is no concrete definition. The idea that a major is like a new player is pretty stupid, its hyperbole.dolan wrote:I would say from first lieut they start getting decent. But if you ask high level players they will say anything below colonel is noob.
So, it depends a lot whom you ask. From a competitive player''s point of view anything except top players are noobs. But not everyone wants to play competitively (either because of lack of time or simply because they have better things to do with their lives).
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Well - not everybody can be top players. Alot of us stay corporals or sergents. We are not noobs - but reached the end of our gameplay. There are alot of us. Not noob, not going to be leut. - but still loving the game at our own lvl.
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its like in the sports. we need alot of players to make athlets. If u dont take care of the lower players - you will not get top perforpers.
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I for one - will never be pro - but love to se them play. I also like to watch W orld championship - thow i know i will never join.
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I think anyone could make it to like 1st lt. After that you have to kinda get to the next level of dedication or have talent I think.
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Yeah, well people in this thread have classified players into 5 or so categories according to rank. My impression is that things are more volatile between the first lieutenant barrier and the colonel one. So people can go up and down between PR 26 and 32 and between 33 and 36-37. But once they crossed the barrier they usually never go below it and stay below (unless they decay a lot). It means crossing one of these barriers needs a real and substantial improvement which becomes permanent. If you were a captain-major youll never go below PR 25. If you were PR 37 youll never go below PR33. Etc.ra0ulduke wrote:This is because people are too lazy to use another word than noob, really a noob should be a new player, but the way its used it becomes entirely relative to the one who says it, therefore there is no concrete definition. The idea that a major is like a new player is pretty stupid, its hyperbole.dolan wrote:I would say from first lieut they start getting decent. But if you ask high level players they will say anything below colonel is noob.
So, it depends a lot whom you ask. From a competitive players point of view anything except top players are noobs. But not everyone wants to play competitively (either because of lack of time or simply because they have better things to do with their lives).
I definitely understand people who just want to play for fun on their own level, though. The ESO ranking system, while its useful because it gives a clue on someones level it can be annoying for people who dont chase ranks. There is this feeling of obsession with ranks and some segregation on ESO because of that. Which is understandable to some extent, but Im talking about the negative atmosphere of constant pressure that is created by the ranking system. Its 100% good for competitive play, its unnecessary pressure for people who play for fun only.
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