Aztec FB VS Russia

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Aztec FB VS Russia

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Hi Community.
I have one simple question: is it worth making a FB as Aztecs playing against Russia? For my part, I would say yes, even regardless Russia starts to build its FB earlier, because both are usually able to have a mass at the same time which means the result will depend on micro, won't it?
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Re: Aztec FB VS Russia

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If you go super all in (by that I mean don't train vills, just get coyote batch and send unit shipments), Aztec should win the fb war.
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i struggle a bit in this match up against russia as aztec, i usually make a lot of coyote to raid and catch the cossacks shipments and try to squeze 4 wp and 5 vills when i am not under pressure and push when i have a big mass but i dont make a very forward fb, i just secure a hunt a hunt somewhere in middle, idk what high level players do.
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Re: Aztec FB VS Russia

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Russia vs Aztec is heavily Russia favoured. Russia can just build blockhouses in base and he will win in late colonial.
From my experience, the best try in this MU is to get the TP line and stagecoach if Russia goes blockhouse in base, and if you manage to do that you should win the late colonial thanks to your superior economy. Don't forget to make pikes though, coyote mass won't be enough to beat musk/cossack.
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yeah i dont make only coyote of course but i start coyote to figth to try to catch the cossacks shipment under warhut/tc and also help me to scout what composition he have and force him to go musk so that the mace shipemnts get a lot of value. I don't think its the worse match up for aztecs. Fr, brit and india are more difficult i think. I struggle also against china using the equivalent of colonia milita which one shot puma with TC fire so its hard to punish their age up.
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it's not russia favoured
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India is much easier to beat. France and Brit are also super hard MUs, harder than Russia I agree.
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Proper India is the toughest MU for Aztec you trippin. French is also hard, Brits not so much.
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Garja wrote:Proper brit is the toughest MU for Aztec you trippin. French is also hard, India not so much.
Fixed it for you.
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It sucks to make muskets vs Aztecs cuz of mace.
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Brits it's pretty easy MU on RE and average MU on EP. It's similar to Russia-Brit.
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If Russia build blockhouses in base, go 10 wp boom for a late colonial timing, and you can deal with his boyar troops with 10 wp dance.
Turtle in base is generally unavailable on RE poor maps; in EP it works, but you can go 10 wp colonial play, or even 10 wp semiFF.
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fei123456 wrote:If Russia build blockhouses in base, go 10 wp boom for a late colonial timing, and you can deal with his boyar troops with 10 wp dance.
Turtle in base is generally unavailable on RE poor maps; in EP it works, but you can go 10 wp colonial play, or even 10 wp semiFF.
I don't think thats a good plan vs russia. He will outmass you with more effective units.
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Re: Aztec FB VS Russia

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Ye or just age and bash you in fortress.
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Russia stronk
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Garja wrote:Brits it's pretty easy MU on RE and average MU on EP. It's similar to Russia-Brit.
how do u play britt usually @Garja , 700 woo, 10 mace and train coyote or pikes ? an rush to idle him ? or more greey stuff ? its hard brit is fast to age up, get a tower an have longbows and boom very fast if u not pressure
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The best try against brit is to contain in colonial.
700w/600w TP boom is very good on stagecoach map, and the MU is probably even if you can secure 3+ TP with stagecoach. On low TP maps you have to go for like 3wp/700w/5v or 3wp/700w/10maces but brit will either manage to age or kill you with a timing.
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louis293 wrote:
Garja wrote:Brits it's pretty easy MU on RE and average MU on EP. It's similar to Russia-Brit.
how do u play britt usually @Garja , 700 woo, 10 mace and train coyote or pikes ? an rush to idle him ? or more greey stuff ? its hard brit is fast to age up, get a tower an have longbows and boom very fast if u not pressure
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In past I uploaded a pack of Aztec recs, there are several Azzy-Brit games both on RE and EP.
Can do several different things. Most of times will be a grinded out game, there is no such thing as "X strat" that beat Brits unless the opponent is totally unprepared.

In the pack there are also several Aztec-Russia games both on RE and EP.
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thanks !
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People really think this mu is russia favoured ? ahahah
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Zanerre wrote:People really think this mu is russia favoured ? ahahah
Nah, just diarouga thinks aztecs lose every mu. The mu has always been known to be fine for aztecs
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